-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 09/07/2017 11:12 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: > Eric wrote "Why would you delete data that is still valid and > useful?" > > > My concern is that if these are permanent features, then people > will say "ooh - they'll be the same as last time" and of course > they probably won't be the same as last time and we may route > people to a wrong place, with possible tragic results.
I would say that shelters probably would be the same as last year. It's very difficult to find structures that meet the criteria for being shelters in the first place so thinking that you're going to play a shell game with them really isn't going to happen. The shelters that I used to deal with are still shelters today some fifteen years later and they were shelters for at least a decade when I came into the job. > I agree that this information should be left in place, but marked > , unusable, until specifically activated by authorities, which I > agree should be well ahead of time, so long as people know that > they will not be usable until a state of emergency is declared. I believe that's a given being that it's an emergency shelter. That said, I think we can use the 'note' key to make some sort of declaration to that extent as I suspect there are some public tornado shelters in the Midwest (US) that are available 24/7 whereas out here on the east coast many hurricane shelters are stood up on an as-needed basis. > I also think that this information should NOT be edited, in any way > by anyone other than the authorities. This brings back the old > arguments about read only data in OSM. One could make the same argument about roads or any other data. This is an open database and we all "garden" the data to make sure that the information is correct. Google has a closed database and it's a pain for an "authoritative source" to get their one-off information into it. To go down the route of creating authoritative sources would require way too much work to establish relationships with a lot of agencies that likely do not wish to participate in the first place. Further, we'd have to establish a trust relationship with them to be able to authenticate them as the authenticated source. Who is to say that they would even maintain the data? To me, the crowd is a much better source and so far we've been doing pretty well. - --Eric -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEERiNfHJ4f0jHRHow5g9FPLsqcWWwFAlmyiKwACgkQg9FPLsqc WWzFrAf/WO1itSXeACgYb/0V9yQ99FSTS9CCPO8juxScNNCKkDnYuSmZFKMG1WIV tsIf9Ap6vHX9yrpeOwbPsc16+DyhLkDwylQQKtuQH2zsEC42E1PwVtcNTO65GU8k XwpDXcDNeX8m2hzDghjmENd/c2G4fCfSdlZhtA0cfEIDdbjYUF1OwdChGvaBiS2T 64TmUOy4O8snRQMkt+9ZYIrOMoL83UXapHMknLRezRADitbjs0LOJiAbgw7lN6ya nfrxmkp8u7m2Z9RwL1enfAIxj02Ys6i162qMNitrdPjqgjQK9N9MIuCwUvE8eVtQ xukBHCmgS5lcEh1rWx0tYdRU5L7lRA== =3qCe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging