Hi all:

I was the one who organized the import of 14,000+ places nodes in Liberia back in September 2014.

The idea of giving place=unknown (together with a fixme=* tag) to places that were not possible to determine its value was proposed during the discussion in the imports list [1] [2].

place=yes was also proposed, and now I guess it would be better than place=unknown

Back in 2014 many areas of Liberia lacked hires imagery. Now we have imagery for all the country.

2 days ago, the number of nodes with place=unknown was 977 (so 7% of all the imported nodes). In a short time I retagged more than 100 (they are 861 nodes with place=unknown left (6%)), a quite easy task.

So I strongly oppose to the removal of these nodes, that could be retagged quite easily in a short time.

As for the nodes that cannot be retagged, we could change them to place=yes.

Cheers,

Rafael.

[1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2014-September/003419.html [2] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2014-September/003421.html

On 03/02/18 23:16, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote:
On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Dave F <[email protected]> wrote:
I recently seen a variety of keys being given the value of 'unknown'.
I'm struggling to see its purpose. It confirms nothing & adds no value to
the database. Am I missing something?

You are right.

It's interesting if you take a look at some values.

maxspeed=unknown basically happens only in the Netherlands, from the
same author (it seems) who is mapping/importing railway data.

owner=UNKNOWN in California, USA, from an old buildings import

place=unknown in Africa (due to this import
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_Liberia_UNMIL_Places#Tagging_Plans)

bench=unknown are mostly in Italy (from some possible bus stops/routes import)

foot=unknown in England
naptan:Landmark=Unknown also in England (both foot and naptan:Landmark
look that are old data)

wheelchair=unknown mostly in Iraq and Saudi Arabia (also from older imports)

By taking a quick look at them, most seem to be from imports, created
by the same mappers or old data.

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