On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 14:47, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Okay, I agree with that. So maybe we have to differentiate there. In > Germany, Wuppertal, we have this one: >
> It's inside a building or rather covered by it, but it's function is like > a tourism=attraction, and for me there is no tower really, so I came on the > attraction=*-key. > Attraction is about function. If it operates as an attraction, it's an attraction. If it never plays, it's effectively a sculpture. > For those in bell towers of churches man_made=tower or man_made=bell_tower > might be appropiate, but actually these tags are describing only the tower > and it's type/building-type, not the carillon itself. > I'm not sure we need to tag the carillon. The ones in churches I've encountered or read about aren't operated as attractions. The bells aren't visible, the mechanisms aren't visible, the operator isn't visible and they're not operated frequently. One church installed a carillon (I've a vague memory it wasn't a full set of 23 bells) simply because it was having trouble getting enough bell-ringers. So it was used at weddings, maybe special events, maybe even one of the bells was used as an hourly chime. Not an attraction. I don't think we need to tag the fact that a carillon is in a church bell tower, or how many bells it has. We distinguish between a bell tower and a clock tower because they are visibly very different and constitute landmarks . Other than that, we don't need to know what is inside. Maybe, one day, when we've run out of other important features to map, we could consider micromapping carillons. For now I'd say use the description of the bell tower to indicate there is a carillon. If somebody came up with a proposal to micromap carillons right now I wouldn't oppose it but I can live without it, the same way I can live without a way of tagging the motive power for the clock in a clock tower or the number of bells in a bell tower - the description works (but not for somebody wanting to find out how many churches in England have carillons). However, looking into this made me realize we don't have a way of dealng with spires. I think we probably need it, because spires can be very distinctive landmarks. For example, this one https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Crooked_Spire.jpg which is visible from a long distance: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chestefield.jpg (if that photo was taken where it claims to have been taken, the church is about 3 miles away). And that particular spire poses another tagging/rendering problem because the spire sits atop a tower which is both a clock tower and a bell tower. -- Paul
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