Paul, this thread is not trying to convince you to go tag carillions. It's to figure out how to tag them, for people that *do *want to tag them and would find that useful. If it's not your thing that's fine, just sit this one out. Cheers, Brad
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 2:28 PM Paul Allen <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 19:59, Martin Koppenhoefer <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> I understand you are mostly interested in visual aspects, but OSM doesn’t >> have to limit itself to this, IMHO carillons are mostly about music so >> whether you can see them is not so important. >> > > Already covered under attraction=carillon. I don't have a problem with > that, > or with similar non-visual POIs like concert halls, theatres, etc. They're > of interest to a relatively large group of people. People want to know > about > these things. > > > I don't think we need to tag the fact that a carillon is in a church >> bell tower, >> > or how many bells it has. We distinguish between a bell tower and a >> clock >> > tower because they are visibly very different and constitute landmarks . >> > Other than that, we don't need to know what is inside. >> >> I disagree. >> > > Others within OSM disagree with both of us and think lots of things > that we both agree are useful have no business being represented on > a map. I take a different view to them: if it is useful to more than a > very tiny minority of people then it can and should be mapped. "Useful" > includes using it as a landmark for navigation or to confirm that > you really are where you think you are (so inscriptions on plaques > are useful because there could be more than one plaque in > the area where you are and the one you're stood in front may > not be the one you think it is). "Useful" includes people wanting > to find a POI of that particular type, or finding a specific > POI. "Useful" includes opening hours so you don't waste > time going somewhere that isn't open that day. > > How many people care if a church clock escapement uses a pendulum > or is electronic? How many people care if a church has four bells or five? > How many people care if the church bells are rung by tugging on > ropes or by a carillon? The answer to that last question is not many, > unless it performs frequently and regularly so they could plan an > excursion to hear it. > > I don't think tagging carillons in churches is important at this time. > There are still plenty of things to map that are of far more interest > to far more people. But if somebody thinks it is really important > I won't oppose it, because "any tag you like" means there's no way > for any of us to stop it happening, the best we can hope for is to > guide the choice of tags to be sensible. So you write a proposal > and I won't vote against it unless I think the key and/or value > you propose is flawed. I might even vote for it. But I think it > will be applicable to such a small number of POIs and be of > interest to such a tiny fraction of mappers and users that it's > not worth the effort. > > -- > Paul > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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