Hi Andrew, I agree with this.
On 16 December 2022 1:33:21 pm AEDT, Andrew Harvey <[email protected]> wrote: >I think it's reasonable for it to have a name like "Tesla Supercharger >Hollydene, NSW". If Tesla refers to it as such, and you might ask someone >to meet you at the Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, then that's it's name. >Just like we would map name="Woolworths Dee Why", since that's what the >receipt would label it as, and what you might tell someone when >referring to the store. It doesn't stop you also tagging brand= and branch=. > >On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 00:02, Sebastian S. <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Phil, >> >> I think you are getting to the real question... >> >> So I did some checking and the charging invoice from Tesla does not give >> any REF or Name. It simply states the address. >> The map in the car and on the phone gives ' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, >> NSW' in bold as the identification token (trying to avoid using ame here). >> >> For me as an user I want to find this charger when I search for it. I want >> to see the full token to easily distinguish between several chargers. I >> also would be happy to see the token on a rendered map. >> >> Weather the text is in the REF or NAME tag I don't care. >> >> I do think the chargers should also have tags for address details, plug , >> access and cost, network, operator and brand details. We are allowed to >> dream right? >> >> So back to the real question. Is the argument that >> ' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' is not a name and should not be used >> as a single text string? Or should the text string simply not be a NAME tag >> and instead a REF tag? >> >> Or lastly is the expectation that data consumers 'construct' the >> information from other tags? For the last point I think it is a great idea >> but unrealistic see my ' Tesla Supercharger Central Coast NSW' example >> where the city=Tuggerah. >> >> I'm happy to use REF if this is the majority preference. >> >> Cheers Seb >> >> On 15 December 2022 11:07:47 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Sebastian, >>> >>> >>> >>> I suppose for me it’s a question of should OSM hold a name which can be >>> made from other attributes and does it fit with the name and charging wikis? >>> >>> >>> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station >>> >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name >>> >>> >>> >>> Do tesla chargers/charge areas also have reference numbers like other >>> networks? This usually goes in the ref key. >>> >>> >>> >>> I suspect many of these are ‘named’ simply so they get a label in the >>> carto map without people realising that the operator and ref are used for >>> labelling charging stations in that map instance. >>> >>> >>> >>> Other apps may well use other OSM attributes. >>> >>> >>> >>> Some interesting ‘name’ insights in this post as well >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565 >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers – Phil >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Sebastian S. <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:34 PM >>> *To:* [email protected]; Phil Wyatt <[email protected]>; >>> 'Warin' <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names. >>> >>> I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value. >>> Tesla has names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla >>> Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast, NSW'. >>> For the latter the name is not the same as the address which is one of my >>> key reasons to have the name tag, full length. >>> >>> Aside from the Tesla supercharger there will be other large high current >>> or DC charging stations that in my view warrant a name. Mainly because the >>> are or will be key stopover points that people will navigate to. >>> >>> But I'm also of the opinion that the name of the Woolworths in Dee Why is >>> ' Woolworths Dee Why ' >>> >>> Seb >>> >>> On 15 December 2022 8:23:19 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Warin, >>> >>> >>> >>> Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually descriptions >>> or operators/networks and locations >>> >>> >>> >>> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers - Phil >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Warin <[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 December 2022 8:00 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote: >>> >>> My thoughts: >>> >>> >>> >>> I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing >>> definitely does not have a name, when someone else says it does, especially >>> if 50% have a name. >>> >>> >>> >>> "Tesla supercharger" is not an individual name, probably a brand. And >>> there would be many that have that "name" in the world. It would be like >>> tagging some petrol stations with 'name=Shell'. >>> >>> The easiest thing to do is change the key 'name' to 'description', that >>> way OSM looses no information. >>> >>> Then add tags for brand/operator/ref/*. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - Ben. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> >>> >>> Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have some >>> 'name'. >>> >>> >>> >>> Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator >>> etc (ie Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so it >>> gets rendered on the map. >>> >>> >>> >>> Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details are >>> lost by making sure any operator or network details gets added to the >>> correct tags. >>> >>> >>> >>> (I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord) >>> >>> >>> >>> [Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u) >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers - Phil >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Talk-au mailing list >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-au mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >>
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