Hey Andrew,
I'm not sure I agree with you that naming a supercharger is equivalent
to the naming of a supermarket branch.
To me, the supercharger seems more akin to a petrol pump, and while you
might map individual pumps only the service station would be named.
Phil raises a good point with regards to locations with more than one
charger: it's not really the pump itself that has a name, but the
facility that is offering the charging services. The wiki seems to
follow this line of thinking (but of course, it's not perfect)
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station. For
consideration, I'd also consider the equivalence to how device charging
stations or vending machines are mapped.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddevice_charging_station
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dvending_machine
Dian
On 2022-12-16 13:33, Andrew Harvey wrote:
I think it's reasonable for it to have a name like "Tesla Supercharger
Hollydene, NSW". If Tesla refers to it as such, and you might ask
someone to meet you at the Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, then that's
it's name. Just like we would map name="Woolworths Dee Why", since
that's what the receipt would label it as, and what you might tell
someone when referring to the store. It doesn't stop you also tagging
brand= and branch=.
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 00:02, Sebastian S. <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Phil,
I think you are getting to the real question...
So I did some checking and the charging invoice from Tesla does not
give any REF or Name. It simply states the address.
The map in the car and on the phone gives ' Tesla Supercharger
Hollydene, NSW' in bold as the identification token (trying to avoid
using ame here).
For me as an user I want to find this charger when I search for it. I
want to see the full token to easily distinguish between several
chargers. I also would be happy to see the token on a rendered map.
Weather the text is in the REF or NAME tag I don't care.
I do think the chargers should also have tags for address details, plug
, access and cost, network, operator and brand details. We are allowed
to dream right?
So back to the real question. Is the argument that
' Tesla Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' is not a name and should not be
used as a single text string? Or should the text string simply not be a
NAME tag and instead a REF tag?
Or lastly is the expectation that data consumers 'construct' the
information from other tags? For the last point I think it is a great
idea but unrealistic see my ' Tesla Supercharger Central Coast NSW'
example where the city=Tuggerah.
I'm happy to use REF if this is the majority preference.
Cheers Seb
On 15 December 2022 11:07:47 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Sebastian,
I suppose for me it's a question of should OSM hold a name which can be
made from other attributes and does it fit with the name and charging
wikis?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcharging_station
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name
Do tesla chargers/charge areas also have reference numbers like other
networks? This usually goes in the ref key.
I suspect many of these are 'named' simply so they get a label in the
carto map without people realising that the operator and ref are used
for labelling charging stations in that map instance.
Other apps may well use other OSM attributes.
Some interesting 'name' insights in this post as well
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SimonPoole/diary/397565
Cheers - Phil
From: Sebastian S. <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 10:34 PM
To: [email protected]; Phil Wyatt <[email protected]>;
'Warin' <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers
Hello all,
As an EV driver I think that some charge stations have names.
I do agree that 'Tesla Supercharger ' is not a name with much value.
Tesla has names in their app for these charging stations, e.g. 'Tesla
Supercharger Hollydene, NSW' or 'Tesla Supercharger Central Coast,
NSW'. For the latter the name is not the same as the address which is
one of my key reasons to have the name tag, full length.
Aside from the Tesla supercharger there will be other large high
current or DC charging stations that in my view warrant a name. Mainly
because the are or will be key stopover points that people will
navigate to.
But I'm also of the opinion that the name of the Woolworths in Dee Why
is ' Woolworths Dee Why '
Seb
On 15 December 2022 8:23:19 pm AEDT, Phil Wyatt <[email protected]>
wrote:
Thanks Warin,
Its pretty obvious that most are not real names but actually
descriptions or operators/networks and locations
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4N
Cheers - Phil
From: Warin <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2022 8:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [talk-au] 'Named' EV chargers
On 15/12/22 17:11, Ben Kelley wrote:
My thoughts:
I wouldn't remove the names. It's a big call to say that this thing
definitely does not have a name, when someone else says it does,
especially if 50% have a name.
"Tesla supercharger" is not an individual name, probably a brand. And
there would be many that have that "name" in the world. It would be
like tagging some petrol stations with 'name=Shell'.
The easiest thing to do is change the key 'name' to 'description', that
way OSM looses no information.
Then add tags for brand/operator/ref/*.
- Ben.
On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 14:24, Phil Wyatt <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Folks,
Thoughts on 'named' EV chargers? Around 50% of chargers in Oz have some
'name'.
Most look to be adding the either the location or name of the operator
etc (ie Freds Shop, XYZ carpark, Tesla supercharger etc), I suspect so
it gets rendered on the map.
Are folks happy if I remove the names. I will ensure that no details
are lost by making sure any operator or network details gets added to
the correct tags.
(I will also post to Oceania Forum and Discord)
[Overpass query](https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1p4u)
Cheers - Phil
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