Re: [OSM-talk-be] TEC & Open Data: let's start !

Mon, 23 Jun 2014 02:59:35 -0700

On 2014-06-17 09:21, Marc Gemis wrote :

On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:13 PM, André Pirard <[email protected]> wrote:
If you use source=survey 2014-06  TEC 2014-04 in bus stops as I recommend, you will both comply with the source requirement and be sure to find the indication that they contain your file's data and can be deleted from the remaining-to-be-updated file.
If an existing element does not contain source=survey 2014-06  TEC 2014-04 or later, it will be kept in the remaining-to-be-updated file.  If a mapper further updates the data, he is kindly requested to use a new date such as source=survey 2014-07 or source=survey 2014-06-21 .
Sorry, but this is not a survey, this is an import.  IMHO, you can only use survey when you go out and check the exact position of the bus stop. A survey is not transforming data from one database format into another. So please do not use source=survey.
Sorry but it is an import and a survey.

source=TEC 2014-04 relates to the import of the TEC's data.  source=TEC 2014-04 must be in TEC.osm.zip bus stops so that the mapper copies it to OSM. When found in OSM, it means that the bus stop can be removed from the file TEC.osm.zip which shows the work that remains to do.  Same process for future versions.

source=survey 2014-xx  relates to the location, shelter, bench tags etc. that the mapper will add at the time of the import or later and it is a survey.  It is the last time that this data was verified and it helps mappers not to verify what has already been verified.

There should also be a TEC 2014-04.osm.zip file containing the original TEC data so that the user can compare that data with the data he introduces, for example TEC's uppercase name and OSM's lowercase name.
There will be later files like TEC 2014-10.osm.zip at which time a new TEC.osm.zip will be created containing the new changes that must be applied.
The user must also be able to see the lines drawn by TEC in case the bus stops do not make the itinerary clear.
Here is a file of mine:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ty49nmfdb2vfz4m/TEC_2014_04-Lignes.2.osm.bz2

What remains to be done before we can make realistic updates:
  • publish TEC 2014-04.osm.zip (= present TEC.osm.zip + following tags)
  • add source=TEC 2014-04 to TEC 2014-04.osm.zip
  • add source=survey 2014-04 to TEC 2014-04.osm.zip
  • add website tag
  • new TEC.osm.zip = TEC 2014-04.osm.zip
  • new TEC 2014-04.lines.osm.zip

Please note that the particular syntax of the tags is moot.
But, please, make propositions instead of saying what it must not be (there are just too many).

I can publish a "how to tag the bus stops" in the wiki page if you like.

On 2014-06-17 15:19, Ben Abelshausen wrote :

On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Marc Gemis <[email protected]> wrote:
the source should a) contain some reference to TEC,
Exactly!

And (a) is "Exactly! " what source=TEC 2014-04 was proposing.

b) any aerial image you have used (probably Bing).

This is something that everybody knows, or should know. "Bing 2004" or so, not "Bing".

you can only use survey when you go out

On 2014-06-17 15:18, Ben Abelshausen wrote :
"Survey" does mean explicitly that there was an actual survey (meaning, going to each and every bus station to check if it is there!):
That article does not define "Survey" explicitly. It says that it is a survey.

dictionary.reference.com
to view in detail, especially to inspect, examine, or appraise formally or officially in order to ascertain condition, value, etc.
appraise:  to estimate the nature, quality, importance, etc.:
Nothing in that says that the surveyor must travel.  Any means to ascertain the data is acceptable.

Cordialement,

André. 


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