Hi, I think Ben's suggestion is sensible where there is a consistent and clear preference.
As name:en is for the standard English name, I suggest avoiding using that tag for English names where the Welsh name is now also the more common one used in English. That said, I think avriant names are always worth adding. I would suggest using alt_name (if a name is still used by some) or old_name (if it is now out of usage). Regards, Adam On 23 March 2018 at 16:04, Ben Proctor <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all > > I was lurking on this list when the original discussion started and it was > in my head when someone approached me about running a mapping project in > Wales. We've been using a little Welsh Government funding to support a > Welsh Language render of osm (currently just covering Wales) > https://openstreetmap.cymru . We've also been raising the profile of osm > in Wales, particularly in Welsh speaking communities. We hope to continue > this work over the coming months and grow a stronger osm community in > Wales. Here are the blogs about the project in English > http://cardiff.theodi.org/tag/mapiocymru/ and in Welsh > http://cardiff.theodi.org/cy/tag/mapiocymru/ > > We've been discussing the issue of multi-language tagging as part of this > project and we would like to propose an update to the Welsh language > section of the Wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap. > org/wiki/Multilingual_names#Wales > > I'd appreciate any comment and thoughts. > > Cheers > > Ben > > > > > > > *Wales is a bilingual country and many place names have both English and > Welsh versions. When communicating in English some places are known by > their Welsh name and some by their English name. When communicating in > Welsh all places are know by their Welsh name. Bilingual names (English and > Welsh versions) are not used in Wales. * > > *In general the name tag should contain the name generally used when > communicating in English. In some cases this will be the Welsh name. If in > doubt look for local usage / signage.* > > > > *Where possible please add a name:cy which is the name in Welsh for the > place. Please add this tag even if the name tag uses the name in Welsh.It > may also be helpful to add a name:en, especially if the name tag uses the > name in Welsh.* > > *Examples:* > *name - Swansea* > *name:cy - Abertawe* > > *name - Caernarfon* > *name:cy - Caernarfon* > > *name - Heol Eglyws* > *name:cy - Heol Eglyws* > *name:en - Church Road* > > > > On 16 August 2017 at 14:10, Adam Snape <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The 'best mapping method' is somewhat subjective. If it were the sole >> criteria, then we would instantly create documentation to replace lots of >> the less than ideal tags which have developed and explicitly depreciate >> either the classic (highway=footway/bridleway/cycleway) or 'alternative' >> (highway= path, access=*) tagging schemes. We don't because there is no >> consensus and existing use counts for a lot. >> >> If there is genuine consensus upon a better way then perhaps this should >> be documented. In the absence of such consensus, documenting how we >> actually currently map is preferable (because it is already prevalent and >> verifiable) to not documentating or documenting one school of thought on >> how we ought to map (but don't yet). >> >> Adam >> >> On 16 August 2017 at 11:20, Dave F <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 16/08/2017 00:22, Warin wrote: >>> >>>> On 16-Aug-17 05:27 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: >>>> >>>>> The wiki is after all intended to document how people map not >>>>> dictate how they should map. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I would think that the wiki should guide to the best mapping method, >>>> not what people have done in the past (as found using taginfo for >>>> example!). >>>> >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> DaveF >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-GB mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> >> > > > -- > Ben Proctor, Technical Director > > *The Satori Lab*, 22 Windsor Place Cardiff. CF10 3BY Wales, UK > > [email protected] | @likeawor <https://twitter.com/likeaword>d | 07904 > 1234 98 | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/likeaword/> > > We provide culture change services > <https://thesatorilab.com/our-services/?utm_source=email_sig&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=word_of_mouth> > | > Sign up for our culture change newsletter > <https://thesatorilab.com/i-want-to-know-more/?utm_source=email_sig&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=word_of_mouth> > . > > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > >
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