Hi all,
@Martianfreeloader the best way to try getting info on how to act if you
are bullied by someone from Slovenia over the internet is to contact
safe.si <https://safe.si/english> or send them an email to [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>.
Please let us know how it went if you choose to sue the kiddo.
OSM servers have the 4KK IP address and by EU law, the 4KK's ISP
provider and OSM must comply to get the data if you go that far. I bet
the kiddo is not that smart to obscure his IP address.
Happy Sueing ;)
On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 at 07:40, Igor Brejc <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
To be honest, I would just report this to OSM (even multiple times,
if necessary) and ignore it. There are too many idiots on the
internet to sue them all and also I'm not sure how you would be able
to find his real name and address.
Kind regards,
Igor
On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 7:26 PM martianfreeloader
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
I have just been insulted and threatened by the account.
I would like to sue the owner of that account for compensation,
but I am
citizen and resident of Germany and I don't read Slovene, nor do
I know
anything about the legal system there.
The owner of the account seems to be resident of Slovenia,
according to
their heatmap: https://yosmhm.neis-one.org/?4KK
<https://yosmhm.neis-one.org/?4KK>
(could be wrong; like my own heatmap would wrongly suggest that
I am
Slovene)
Does any one know how to best go about suing them in Slovenia?
For context:
My only interaction with the account was my comment on
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128392452
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128392452>
They replied to me in a private message which contained three
threats:
"DO NOT FUCKING COMMENT ON ANY OF MY FUCKING EDITS"
"DON’T YOU FUCKING DARE MESSAGE ME"
"KILL YOURSELF"
and a number of insults:
"Fuck you bitch"
"YOU IDIOTIC JACKASS"
"YOU LITTLE SHIT"
"GO FUCK YOURSELF"
On 04/11/2022 21:00, martianfreeloader wrote:
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> On 04/11/2022 16:47, Igor Brejc wrote:
>> Reported him/her, adding a couple of most egregious
edits/comments. It
>> takes only a couple of minutes.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Igor
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 11:28 PM martianfreeloader
>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone who can spare a half hour, please report 4KK as
soon as
>> possible!
>>
>> As the account is not only insulting people but actively
>> destroying the
>> map, it seems that time is of the essence.
>>
>> Apparently, the account also engages in edit wars:
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/342087384/history
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/342087384/history>
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/342087384/history
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/342087384/history>>
>>
>> I have little capacity for OSM at the moment, sorry;
otherwise I'd
>> do it
>> myself.
>>
>> Thanks to Damjan Gerl for bringing this up and to
everyone who
>> contributed to the discussion so far!
>> m
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/11/2022 19:16, [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Report_user
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Report_user>
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Report_user
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Report_user>>
>> >
>> > We can report to data, “ат”openstreetmap.org
<http://openstreetmap.org>
>> <http://openstreetmap.org <http://openstreetmap.org>>
for vandalism and report
>> > the user in a separate section. We should take all
the below
>> evidence
>> > and forward it to the mentioned email. *
>> > *
>> >
>> > On 03/11/2022 19:11, Igor Brejc wrote:
>> >> What's the procedure here? How do we report this?
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Nov 3, 2022, 17:59 martianfreeloader
>> >> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Another inappropriate changeset comment from
just yesterday:
>> >>
>> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128392452
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128392452>
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128392452
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128392452>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 03/11/2022 17:17, Igor Brejc wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > Even if nothing else, he should be reported
for that
>> insulting
>> >> comment
>> >> > on
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>>
>> >> >
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>>>, this isn't
>> >> just
>> >> > vandalism, but pure abusive behavior.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers,
>> >> > Igor
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:47 PM martianfreeloader
>> >> > <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> >> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > I think the account 4KK should be reported
for
>> vandalism.
>> >> >
>> >> > TLDR:
>> >> > - 4KK destroys the map.
>> >> > - When confronted with their behaviour,
they either
>> don't
>> >> reply at all
>> >> > or in an insulting way.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Long version:
>> >> >
>> >> > History of 4KK:
>> >> > - The account was created in 2017.
>> >> > - Strong mapping activity only started in
Feb 2022
>> >> >
>> >> > A list of the changesets that have been
discussed by
>> other
>> >> users:
>> >> >
>>
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480
<https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480>
>>
<https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480 <https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480>>
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
<https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480
<https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480>
>>
<https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480
<https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=6270480>>>
>> >> >
>> >> > Comments made by other mappers to 4KK's
changesets:
>> >> > - 11 changesets of 4KK are discussed by
other users
>> (since
>> >> April 2022)
>> >> > - All 11 changesets have been critized by
other
>> mappers as
>> >> seriously
>> >> > and
>> >> > clearly wrong. (with mixed degrees
politeness, but
>> nothing
>> >> off the
>> >> > spectrum of normal OSM demeanor)
>> >> >
>> >> > 4KK's reaction:
>> >> > - To 9 of these comments, 4KK did not
reply at all.
>> >> > - To 1 changeset, 4KK replied in a polite but
>> >> nonconstructive way:
>> >> >
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625>
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625>>
>> >> >
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625>
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126707625>>>
>> >> > - To 1 changeset, 4KK replied with an
insult and
>> nothing
>> >> substantial:
>> >> >
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>>
>> >> >
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121494577>>>
>> >> > (I think that this incident alone would
already justify
>> >> deletion of the
>> >> > account)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I did not check the actual mapping content
of these
>> >> changesets, so I
>> >> > can't tell whether all the other mappers
were always
>> right
>> >> with their
>> >> > criticism. But given that 4KK has been
repeatedly drawn
>> >> criticism by
>> >> > various users, I assume they are right.
>> >> >
>> >> > Personally, I had one instance myself where I
>> discovered
>> >> that 4KK
>> >> > mapped
>> >> > a completely fictional motorway (in fact
most credits
>> go to
>> >> > scabiosa_trenta), but I didn't make this
public at the
>> time
>> >> because I
>> >> > didn't see the broader picture.
>> >> >
>> >> > Best,
>> >> > m
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 26/10/2022 23:50, Miha Pavšič via
Talk-si wrote:
>> >> > > Živjo,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ja, že prej je to počel (recimo 9
mesecev nazaj).
>> Sam sem
>> >> najprej
>> >> > opazil relacijo "Razvojna os 3A
Ljubljana-Kočevje”,
>> kjer je
>> >> vrisal
>> >> > “proposed” cesto od razcepa Malence
naprej, kot vir pa
>> navedel
>> >> > novico iz leta 2015. Gre samo za neko
staro idejo, ki
>> se je
>> >> takrat
>> >> > pojavila, ampak je vsaj na začetnem delu
nerealistična
>> in se
>> >> o njej
>> >> > sploh ne govori več. Bila je idejna
zasnova, sploh ne
>> nekaj
>> >> > načrtovanega, in kot taka zadeva po mojem
nima kaj
>> iskati v OSM.
>> >> > Kako pa bi izgledalo, če bi vsak risal
neke idejne
>> zasnove?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Skratka, changeset sem pokomentiral
(letoss
>> septembra),
>> >> > komentarja z njegove strani ni bilo, pa
tudi na moje
>> sporočilo
>> >> > direktno njemu ni odgovoril.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Lep pozdrav,
>> >> > > Miha
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> On 26 Oct 2022, at 17:58, Damjan Gerl
>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> >> > <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>>
>> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Prosim napiši kakšno opombo na
changeset, tako da
>> bo tam
>> >> "javno"
>> >> > odgovoril (če bo), da bomo vsaj videli
kaj/kako
>> odgovori. In
>> >> lahko
>> >> > dobi tudi več odgovorov drugih osm-erjev.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Potem pa se lahko ukrepa in vpraša, da
ga iz
>> osm-boarda
>> >> opomnijo
>> >> > ali začasno blokirajo, če je potrebno.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> LP,
>> >> > >> Damjan
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> From "Blaž Lorger"
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> >> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
>> >> > >> To [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>> >> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
>> >> > >> Cc Date Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:35:56 +0200
>> >> > >> Subject [Talk-si] "izboljšave"
uporabnika 4KK
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Mogoče ste že opazili da je v zadnjih dneh
>> uporabnik 4KK
>> >> > (https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK>
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK>>
>> >> > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK>
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/4KK>>>) naredil več
>> >> sprememb na
>> >> > področju Slovenije.
>> >> > >> Kakšna je pozitivna, so pa tudi
neustrezne.
>> >> > >> Zgleda se je koncentriral na ceste pri
tem pa je
>> >> spremenil tudi
>> >> > precej relacij. Zaradi površnega dela so
vsaj nekatere
>> izmed teh
>> >> > relacij zdaj nepravilne. Kot na primer ta
turn
>> restriction
>> >> >
>> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history>
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history>>
>> >> >
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history>
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2653752/history>>>).
>> >> Zdaj je
>> >> > legalno narediti oster zavoj in se vrniti
v krožišče.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Na moj poziv naj popravi take napake
je jasno
>> odgovoril
>> >> da tega
>> >> > ne namerava storiti.
>> >> > >> Predlagam da se lotite popravljanja.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Pozdrav,
>> >> > >> Blaž
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
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