Not trying to be a smartypants. Genuinely curious regarding the following:
> Sending a secure email to my secure email account would be a start.

What is the definition of secure email or secure email account in the above 
sentence?

> Except the preferrence is to gmail - - - to feed the advertising
> engine you know!

Do I understand correctly that you've run into websites that insist on users 
signing up with a gmail account, or am I understanding this wrong? If so, what 
are some examples of such services?

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> On Jan 15, 2024, at 13:53, o1bigtenor via talk <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 11:38 AM Evan Leibovitch <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:37 AM o1bigtenor via talk <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> One doesn't use a cell phone (well I wouldn't) but a cellphone number is 
>>> demanded to verify one's identity. Without a working cellphone connection 
>>> one is today - - - a NON-person.
>> 
>> 
>> OK, what other ways of verifying identity would you prefer?
> 
> Sending a secure email to my secure email account would be a start.
> Except the preferrence is to gmail - - - to feed the advertising
> engine you know!
> 
>> You can still do most of what needs to be done with banks and government 
>> through in-person and/or postal service that can be done without 
>> connectivity of any kind.
> 
> Postal service - - - - what a misd nomer!!!
> 
> Post office hours are such so that that would necessitate a special
> trip into town. (Gross costs about $35.)
> Bank I am dealing with doesn't do in person stuff any more - - - they
> might upon special request but as I'm
> neither part of the 'elderly' (yet) nor infirm that's also a no go.
>> 
>>> I understand that you don't get the problem but then you are an urban 
>>> dweller
>> 
>> 
>> As are more than 80% of Canadians.
> 
> Its actually 93% or Canuckistanis - - - which is why its so
> frustrating for the other 7% - - - the 93% asks
> why should we give a c**p - - - they see no need for the fix.
> Except even among urban dwellers there is a rapidly widening
> availability of services and the probelm is
> increasing rather than diminishing. (Cell phone access is based upon
> maximal profit for the providers
> not upon providing a service. This has supposedly been an election
> issue for just short of some 25 years
> here and still no changes - - - just more platitudes!)
>> 
>>> who has absolutely no idea what its like trying to connect to an ever 
>>> increasing number of entities that demand SMS connectiviity
>> 
>> 
>> You're right, I have no idea. I logically assume that if someone wants to 
>> "connect" that first they possess a device capable of "connecting".
>> 
>> Please explain why this should not be the case.
> 
> Why should this method of 'connecting' be imposed upon those who don't
> even have the option to use it?
>> 
>> FWIW, much of my most important supplemental authentication -- including a 
>> number of government accounts -- is done through an authenticator app which 
>> does not rely on SMS.
> 
> Hmmmmmm - - - you're still using a stupid phone - - - - - lets say
> your stupid phone service died and you would not be able to
> replace said service for 60 days - - - what would you do then?
> 
> It doesn't seem like you're getting the extent of the issue - - -
> you're offerring solutions that just don't work if one
> doesn't have access to cellphone service.
> 
> I have one - - - use it when I go into town - - - - otherwise - - -
> imo - - - - its a stupidly expensive
> (and quite useless here) communication device - - - - and not much else.
> 
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