I too am using 8.4 and windows 7. Just curious. Have you tried wineyes 9 or 
higher, and what version is your web browser? I have downloaded the wineyes 60 
day demo of wineyes 9.3 but haven't tried it yet. I guess I don't want to deal 
with new bugs. Smile.

Butch

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On 1/29/2016 at 2:51 PM Elizabeth via Talk wrote:

>This is exactly when having an alternate screen 
>reader on call helps. If my browser crashes with 
>Window-eyes, I invoke NVDA. It tells me the 
>browser has crashed when Window-eyes is silent. 
>Then I can close the browser and Window-eyes 
>comes back. But Window-eyes never announces the crashing of the browser.
>I am using 8.4 and Windows 7.
>
>Elizabeth
>
>At 02:38 PM 1/29/2016, you wrote:
>>Hi Brandon,
>>I am using Windows 7, and I just click on a link 
>>at Scottrade.com, and WE9.3 went silent.
>>Fortunately, I had sighted help, and tabbing 
>>around their was window with the message 
>>informing me that IE. has crashed and the OK is waiting to be pressed.
>>Once the OK was entered, WE9.3 started talking 
>>again.  If I had not had sighted help,
>>  and I could not get WE9.3 to talk  again, I 
>> would have had to reboot the computer.
>>
>>web page
>>Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million 
>>clicks by forwarding my stand-up comedy 
>>performance to your friends, or Tweet or 
>>Facebook it. ** ** ** ** ** 
>>**http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** 
>>** ** ** ** computer specifications: Window Eyes 
>>9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home premium, with 
>>dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel® 
>>Core™2 Quad Processor Q6600 (8M Cache, 2.40 GHz, 
>>1066 MHz FSB) quad core drivers and software 
>>updated automatically with Ninite and Driver 
>>Booster, which sighted assistance is needed, but 
>>other than that Driver Booster is a great 
>>program. Recommended software: Firefox, 
>>Thunderbird, Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, 
>>Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security: Microsoft 
>>security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win 
>>Patrol, Roboform, Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
>>On 1/29/2016 1:39 AM, Brandon Miller via Talk wrote:
>>>I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS 
>>>build 10586.71. I'm also using Window-eyes 
>>>9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with annoyances such as:
>>>1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes 
>>>frequently says nothing at all. If I want to 
>>>confirm that anything has taken place at all, I 
>>>often have to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
>>>2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, 
>>>so I frequently go in and delete a whole batch 
>>>of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and 
>>>prefetch folders to not only free up disk 
>>>space, but to also maintain high overall system 
>>>stability and responsiveness. Often times in 
>>>Windows 10 however, just as above I am almost 
>>>always greeted by nothing except total silence 
>>>from Wineyes about halfway through this 
>>>seemingly simple operation. Because of my 
>>>educational background, and the level of 
>>>familiarity that I have regarding 
>>>internal/background Windows processes, services 
>>>and structures, I've been able to deduce that 
>>>as a blind person using Window-eyes, you've 
>>>usually got to alt+tab around to find the 
>>>screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse 
>>>reading commands to click on the "Continue with 
>>>automatic administrator rights" button, and in 
>>>the same screen I also have to use the Wineyes 
>>>mouse reading keys since I tend to put a check 
>>>in the checkbox that says, "Do this for all items".
>>>3.  If you access the start button and select 
>>>settings, although the screens within are 
>>>mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands 
>>>can get tripped up and are read out by Wineyes 
>>>in either a nonsensical, or undesirable way. To 
>>>experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do the following:
>>>A.  Access the start menu.
>>>B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
>>>C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, 
>>>and subsequently the focus to, the devices category and press enter.
>>>D.  At this point, the category that should be 
>>>automatically selected for you by default will 
>>>more than likely be printers and scanners. That's fine.
>>>E.  Now press tab four times, and you should 
>>>arrive at some kind of checkbox regarding metered internet connections.
>>>Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly 
>>>when tabbing through the screen, and I can't 
>>>get the mouse reading keys to get to that 
>>>checkbox either! I am able to get the Wineyes 
>>>mouse reading keys to let me access the first 
>>>checkbox of this screen, so I know that it for 
>>>example says, "Let Windows manage my default 
>>>printer". The second checkbox on this screen 
>>>however, is not reading properly at all.
>>>4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is giving 
>>>me all kinds of problems when trying to do 
>>>something as simple as write an email with 
>>>Thunderbird! I'll be in the middle of composing 
>>>a simple, old fashioned, plane text email, when 
>>>suddenly and without any kind of warning, 
>>>Window-eyes'll just start announcing my title 
>>>bar as untitled, and not read anything in 
>>>either the subject, or body fields of the 
>>>message. I ensure that the window is maximized, 
>>>makes no difference. I press Ctrl+alt+W to 
>>>relaunch Window-eyes, which sometimes does, and 
>>>sometimes doesn't make any difference. I've 
>>>tried uninstalling the TB Enhance app, thinking 
>>>that it might not have exactly kept pace with 
>>>Mozilla's Thunderbird development team, but 
>>>doing so also unfortunately made no discernible 
>>>difference. I've had to re-launch Window-eyes 
>>>literally no less than four times while composing this message alone!
>>>What's up with all these little annoying 
>>>problems I'm experiencing with regard to 
>>>Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.3.1? Is anybody 
>>>else contending with stuff like this?
>>>
>>>P.S What the H e double hockysticks! Now the 
>>>Read To Me app isn't working in Thunderbird 
>>>either! Before you ask, yes, I guarantee you 
>>>I've set it up correctly, I would know since 
>>>I've used it successfully before on this PC in 
>>>both Firefox 43, and Internet Explorer 11. 
>>>Right now though, Ctrl+shift+r at the top of 
>>>the message? Nothing. Ctrl+shift+r in the 
>>>middle of the message? Nada. Ctrl+shift+r in 
>>>the middle of a line in the middle of the 
>>>message? Zilch. Zippo. Grrrrr! Ai Squared, what gives!
>>>
>>>Disclaimer: Be advised; It is possible that 
>>>this communication is being monitored by the National Security Agency or
>GCHQ.
>>>I   neither condone, or support, any such 
>>>policy by any Government authority that does 
>>>not comply appropriately as stipulated by the 
>>>fourth Amendment of the constitution of the United States of America.
>>>
>>>Brandon Dean Miller
>>>
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