And, my delete finger is getting tired.
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From: Talk
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Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:18 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: We should stop using this subject line it only hurts Window
Eyes:Window-Eyes is Dead!
----- Original Message ----- From: Jim via Talk
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
I agree!
There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO
regarding
this topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA.
So I
think that someone is simply trying to start and continue totally
unfounded rumors. I really do wish this list would get back to
discussing Window-Eyes and Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting
and
spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.
PLEASE
folks! Have A Great Day! de
<KF8LT><Jim>.
On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
> I agree.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Talk
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> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
> To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead.
it's the
> thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
> friends...
>
>
>
>
> On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
>> selling it? Pam.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
>> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> And lets add to that. How about several employees
leaving Ai
>> Squared. The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling
Window-Eyes.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I
sent
>> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What
does
>> this tell you?
>>
>> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>>
>>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago,
as far
>>> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or
intermediate
>>> future. I really cannot say as much for the long run. I called
about
>>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to
for
>>> the future as far as that goes. So Please do not start this BS
about
>>> Window-Eyes being dead again. That, I can say I would GREATLY
>>> APPRECIATE!. <KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>>>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing. JAWS does a
very
>>>> good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a
better job
>>>> than Window Eyes.
>>>>
>>>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program,
>>>> and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and
greatest
>>>> upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an
Update,
>>>> andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore you
spend
>>>> an extra $200.
>>>> Then
>>>> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has
>>>> trouble installing on more than one or two Systems.
>>>>
>>>> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it
when I
>>>> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or
something
>>>> else in my system that caused the system lock up.
>>>>
>>>> I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all
Thieves
>>>> and we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear
>>>> Grandmother's eyes, as she awaits her funeral, if we only
could find
>>>> her without someone taking our hand and leading us up to the old
girl.
>>>>
>>>> Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has
nothing to
>>>> do with the desperation of many who are Blind.
>>>> Here is something to think about-
>>>> I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and
Purchase a
>>>> Quad Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM, and a 750 GB Hard
Drive,
>>>> for $250.
>>>>
>>>> We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems,
tests
>>>> them and puts them up for sale.
>>>> So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro
edition of
>>>> JAWS is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.
>>>>
>>>> When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as
>>>> the computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.
>>>>
>>>> And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the
>>>> owners, and making a healthy profit is something I have no
problem
>>>> with a Company doing. But there is the Greed factor that
tends to
>>>> raise its uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge
what they
>>>> believe the Market will bare. And with most program sales
getting
>>>> paid for by our Government, the same government that will pay
$600
>>>> for a Toilet Seat, why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen
>>>> Reader program? After all, Uncle SAM is good for it, even
though few
>>>> people who are Blind can afford it, with most living on
minimum wage
>>>> jobs, or some level of Social Security.
>>>>
>>>> JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than
>>>> Window Eyes, in some cases.
>>>>
>>>> I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
>>>> interacted with their customers.
>>>>
>>>> I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of
>>>> people to work and deal with when you needed to do so. From the
>>>> days of DOS to just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I
Squared
>>>> I felt their customer service and program support was very very
>>>> good. And there were times when the guys could not fix what
ever my
>>>> issue was at the time.
>>>> But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for
having a
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable
program, and
>>>> so when I did have those times when my system would freeze or
lock
>>>> up, I was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other
>>>> program, including Windows Itself to be the culprit before I
considered
> the
>>>> Screen Reader. That is the very high level of reliability I
came to
>>>> expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for
years.
>>>>
>>>> Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW
>>>> Micro.
>>>> And I do not know if this is only because some of the old
staff are
>>>> now gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or
if what
>>>> I sense is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how
those who
>>>> still work at GW Micro do their jobs. And now that A I
Squared has
>>>> been swallowed by the Parent Company of JAWS, there is even a
>>>> greater distance theTop
>>>> decision makers have from the every day user of Window
Eyes. So
it
>>>> takes longer and longer to fix problems, or to make
alterations to
>>>> Window Eyes etc.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I need a powerful Screen Reader. I use NVDA on
>>>> occasion, but it is not powerful enough to do everything I
need from
>>>> a Screen Reader. There may come a Day when I must buy my own
copy
>>>> of JAWS. I won't like it, but if they are the only Game in town,
then
> what choice
>>>> do I have? I will reluctantly make my purchase.
>>>>
>>>> Grumpy Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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