Me too, Chris. Window-Eyes is my dailey product as well.
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:54 AM
To: Kim Lingo; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-eyes is still great
The future of Window-eyes may be in somewhat doubt but as
long as they're still selling it and as long as people are using it it's
still alive, and it's what I use on a daily basis. lets stop being so
negative. The very moment I get official word from either VFO, or
someone from AI Squared, i'm going on the idea that Window-eyes
is still alive and kicking.
On 12/22/2016 1:05 PM, Kim Lingo via Talk wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I think general opinion is right here. Let's all start coming up with
> original subject lines, unless some one has the power to resurrect
> things. I realize that this is a little more time-consuming than
> pressing control-r, but there's nothing wrong with a little creativity.
> Kim Lingo
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Mike Rogers via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:49 AM
> To: fender...@sbcglobal.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: We should stop using this subject line it only hurts
> WindowEyes:Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> Amen to this.
>
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> On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 10:11:56 -0600
> via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>> And, my delete finger is getting tired.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal....@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:18 PM
>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: We should stop using this subject line it only hurts Window
>> Eyes:Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim via Talk
>> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 2:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>>
>> I agree!
>>
>> There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO
>> regarding
>> this topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA.
>> So I
>> think that someone is simply trying to start and continue totally
>> unfounded rumors. I really do wish this list would get back to
>> discussing Window-Eyes and Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting
>> and
>> spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.
>> PLEASE
>> folks! Have A Great Day! de
>>
>> <KF8LT><Jim>.
>>
>>
>> On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>> > I agree.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> > On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>> > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
>> > To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>> >
>> > until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead.
>> it's the
>> > thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
>> > friends...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> >> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
>> >> selling it? Pam.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message----- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> >> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
>> >> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> >> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>> >>
>> >> And lets add to that. How about several employees
>> leaving Ai
>> >> Squared. The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling
>> Window-Eyes.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message----- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>> >> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
>> >> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> >> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>> >>
>> >> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I
>> sent
>> >> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What
>> does
>> >> this tell you?
>> >>
>> >> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>> >>> Hi there FOLKS!
>> >>>
>> >>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago,
>> as far
>> >>> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or
>> intermediate
>> >>> future. I really cannot say as much for the long run. I called
>> about
>> >>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to
>> for
>> >>> the future as far as that goes. So Please do not start this BS
>> about
>> >>> Window-Eyes being dead again. That, I can say I would GREATLY
>> >>> APPRECIATE!. <KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>> >>>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing. JAWS does a
>> very
>> >>>> good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a
>> better job
>> >>>> than Window Eyes.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program,
>> >>>> and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and
>> greatest
>> >>>> upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like an
>> Update,
>> >>>> andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore you
>> spend
>> >>>> an extra $200.
>> >>>> Then
>> >>>> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has
>> >>>> trouble installing on more than one or two Systems.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it
>> when I
>> >>>> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or
>> something
>> >>>> else in my system that caused the system lock up.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all
>> Thieves
>> >>>> and we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear
>> >>>> Grandmother's eyes, as she awaits her funeral, if we only
>> could find
>> >>>> her without someone taking our hand and leading us up to the old
>> girl.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has
>> nothing to
>> >>>> do with the desperation of many who are Blind.
>> >>>> Here is something to think about-
>> >>>> I am going to go out to the Computer Store tonight, and
>> Purchase a
>> >>>> Quad Core 3.4 I5 System with 16 GB of RAM, and a 750 GB Hard
>> Drive,
>> >>>> for $250.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems,
>> tests
>> >>>> them and puts them up for sale.
>> >>>> So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro
>> edition of
>> >>>> JAWS is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as
>> >>>> the computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the
>> >>>> owners, and making a healthy profit is something I have no
>> problem
>> >>>> with a Company doing. But there is the Greed factor that
>> tends to
>> >>>> raise its uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge
>> what they
>> >>>> believe the Market will bare. And with most program sales
>> getting
>> >>>> paid for by our Government, the same government that will pay
>> $600
>> >>>> for a Toilet Seat, why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a screen
>> >>>> Reader program? After all, Uncle SAM is good for it, even
>> though few
>> >>>> people who are Blind can afford it, with most living on
>> minimum wage
>> >>>> jobs, or some level of Social Security.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than
>> >>>> Window Eyes, in some cases.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they
>> >>>> interacted with their customers.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of
>> >>>> people to work and deal with when you needed to do so. From the
>> >>>> days of DOS to just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I
>> Squared
>> >>>> I felt their customer service and program support was very very
>> >>>> good. And there were times when the guys could not fix what
>> ever my
>> >>>> issue was at the time.
>> >>>> But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for
>> having a
>> >>>> problem.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable
>> program, and
>> >>>> so when I did have those times when my system would freeze or
>> lock
>> >>>> up, I was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some other
>> >>>> program, including Windows Itself to be the culprit before I
>> considered
>> > the
>> >>>> Screen Reader. That is the very high level of reliability I
>> came to
>> >>>> expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for
>> years.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW
>> >>>> Micro.
>> >>>> And I do not know if this is only because some of the old
>> staff are
>> >>>> now gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or
>> if what
>> >>>> I sense is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how
>> those who
>> >>>> still work at GW Micro do their jobs. And now that A I
>> Squared has
>> >>>> been swallowed by the Parent Company of JAWS, there is even a
>> >>>> greater distance theTop
>> >>>> decision makers have from the every day user of Window
>> Eyes. So
>> it
>> >>>> takes longer and longer to fix problems, or to make
>> alterations to
>> >>>> Window Eyes etc.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Personally, I need a powerful Screen Reader. I use NVDA on
>> >>>> occasion, but it is not powerful enough to do everything I
>> need from
>> >>>> a Screen Reader. There may come a Day when I must buy my own
>> copy
>> >>>> of JAWS. I won't like it, but if they are the only Game in town,
>> then
>> > what choice
>> >>>> do I have? I will reluctantly make my purchase.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Grumpy Dave
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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