On 5/16/2017 3:25 PM, John Farley via Talk wrote:
Richard,
Currently Apple products come with built in speech, as you may know. That
has been a native part of the operating system for many years, if not from
their inception.
However, Microsoft Windows did not originally come with a speech capability.
Microsoft are slowly adding Narrator functionality, but because it is not
designed into the operating system from the beginning it does not have good
enough functionality for anything other than the simplest.
Therefore the various software houses that wrote and sold the solutions for
the problem came up with speech reading software.
I cannot think of anyone who would provide their effort and brain power full
time for many years for nothing.
How would you expect them to feed and clothe themselves and their families?
~The object of your ire should be Microsoft, not the screen reader
manufacturers.
Regards, John
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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet....@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:28 PM
To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation
It is not a matter whether to accept or not to accept, sighted people do not
need extra software to use a computer. Blind people need extra software and
even though I work can pay for any software I feel blind people should be
given software so they can survive in this tech world. I've read many of
your e-mails and you get mad like me if mlb messes up and you are
completely right however you have all the time in the world since and I'm
not trying to offend you, but once you told me that you don't work and if I
am wrong now I'm sorry. You shouldn't have to go a million steps to be able
use a computer if you are blind. Sighted people all they do is click and
drag all day long. If they use any key strokes it is the windows key
strokes since they don't need to know any key strokes.
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From: Talk
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Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: 'Nick Sarames' <nicksara...@msn.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: FW: whole migrating situation
I agree either accept the offer or don't.
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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM
To: Kurlander Richard (750000); Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: FW: whole migrating situation
With all due respect, you're sounding like a child. One thing I have
realized from participating on this list, is the variety of needs and
experiences WE users have. So while you and I don't use mouse keys (for
example), others do. I probably use %2 of WE's functionality, so probably
any screen reader I use will work for my needs or wants, but others need far
more than I do.
No one is forcing you to purchase anything, but likely, you will have to
adapt to new technology whether that technology is adaptive or commercial
(meaning for the sighted public as well).
On 5/16/2017 10:13 AM, Kurlander Richard (750000) via Talk wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: Kurlander Richard (750000)
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'talk-l...@window-eyes.com' <talk-l...@window-eyes.com>
Subject: whole migrating situation
As a window-eyes user since 1997 I feel that people who used and are
using window-eyes were sold down the river and in the end Doug and
Aaron and all of gw micro actually sold us out. I feel that since vfo
bought all these other companies that they should tried to make the
screen readers as close to each other as possible, not having to have
to learn a new screen reader. I think that when you use screen readers
you should only have to use arrow keys, tab keys, application keys not
use mouse keys, numpad keys since it is a pain in the neck to keep
switching and holding down keys. Vfo could have had a window-eyes
keyboard layout and the biggest problem also is that Microsoft wants
everyone to use Microsoft edge and not ie firefox or chrome any more.
I am sick and tired of tech people telling you to read a manuel or
listen to pod casts. I am a blind person who works and do you think I
have the time or energy to have to listen to the editorals? Where are
the cheat sheets that
c
an be sent out? I am not a computer geek or do I want to be a geek. All
screne readers should be made simple not all the intricate stuff that you
have to do and that is where vfo should try to work with Microsoft as well
as all screne readers should work with Microsoft to help the blind. The
Microsoft people on the accessibility line should be trained with all screne
readers.
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