Frederik, once again you are using your position and mailing list as a tribune, speaking to others instead of speaking to me. I posted [1] my initial idea/tool, and you immediately wrote a large, mostly personal attack [2], rather than something like [3] - which also criticized, but helped guide it forward. Most of the issues you mention in [2] have long been addressed, but you don't care to discuss the actual changes - you already made up your mind that it's evil, and you haven't replied to a single attempt at a substantive communication. I even offered to video talk to you directly, hoping that an understanding could be reached, but alas.
I think your emails strongly polarized community. I kept changing and adapting Sophox based on the received feedback, including yours. I don't think you have ever changed the rhetoric or tried to gain understanding or a compromise. People come to the project, bring new ideas, and try to fix issues they see as important to them. Instead of trying to understand and adapt, several hard-liners have taken the "this is not how it's done around here" approach, and forced people out. Accusations are easy - we can spew them thousands at a time. Refuting them one by one takes much more effort. Saying that I jump topics many times doesn't make it so. I am very consistently discussing just one thing - Sophox [4], and how it can help make OSM better. Tons of people want to runs bots on OSM, but Sophox tries to find a safe middle ground between bots and humans, addressing the problems that are clearly there (otherwise all these tools wouldn't have been created). [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2017-October/079145.html [2] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2017-October/079146.html [3] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2017-October/079172.html [4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sophox On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Frederik Ramm <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > On 11/13/2017 10:58 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > > Andy, I can only assume you agree with the rest of my argument. > > Yuri, I think at this point it is time for me to stop reading your > contributions here. You are not genuinely trying to understand; this is > just a smoke-screen. You are trying to win an argument here by cleverly > jumping from topic to topic, putting words in people's mouths, and if > that's not enough you try to simply write 20x more than anybody else > hoping to wear everyone out. > > This mailing list is not a high school debate club, however much you > treat it like one, and you've abused OpenStreetMap as your playground > for far too long already starting when you first lied to me about > stopping your mass wikidata tag additions. I'm tired of it and I won't > make any further attempts to explain things to you. > > Just in case you are tempted to interpret future silence from me as a > silent agreement - don't. Ever. > > Bye > Frederik > > -- > Frederik Ramm ## eMail [email protected] ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >
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