Marc, Oleksiy, thanks for your insights! And Marc, I agree that it should always be up to the local community to decide. The only thing I ask is to please keep in mind that the "default_language" is simply a reflection of what local OSM editors have already used for the name tag in the majority of cases, and the reflection of the OSM naming rules in the area, not the official language.
Eventually we could even get iD editor to show the language name next to the "name" tag (e.g. "name in Dutch: [....]"), or possibly to auto-create a corresponding name:nl=... tag (at least for the single language areas) On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 12:55 PM Oleksiy Muzalyev < oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch> wrote: > This was exactly my point. That it is a sensitive topic. And it may be > unclear to people who live in a national state with a single official > language. > That is why I provided the texts of articles, to illustrate that there > is a multi-language historical equilibrium reflected it the official > documents. > Best regards, > Oleksiy > > On 10.05.18 11:35, Marc Gemis wrote: > > Don't you think that Belgians like Jo and the rest of the Belgian > > community know best what the default language is in a certain area ? > > This can be a pretty sensitive topic, which is not always easy to > > understand by outsiders. So please let the Belgian community decide > > the default language without pointing us to our constitution. > > > > > > regards > > > > m. (from Belgium) > > > > > > p.s. Besides those areas you mention we also have Municipalities with > > facilities  > > > > > >  > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipalities_with_language_facilities > > > > On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Oleksiy Muzalyev > > <oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch> wrote: > >> On 09.05.18 07:46, Jo wrote: > >>> The whole country has 3 official languages. In the north nl is the > >>> official language, in the south fr. And a small area in the east is de. > >>> Brussels is officially bilingual. Hence all names there will be a > >>> combination of fr - nl. > >>> > >>> Normally I would expect Belgium to not have default_language set. You > may > >>> have to keep a list of countries where it only makes sense to look at > the > >>> next smaller geographic regions. > >>> > >>> I expect the same goes for Switzerland (whole country 3-4 official > >>> languages, but at the next geographic level it is clear which language > is > >>> spoken/official for which region). > >>> > >>> I think in most multilingual countries the regions are not so clearly > >>> defined. > >>> > >>> Jo > >> > >> Hello Jo and Yuri, > >> > >> Here is the text of the article 4 of the Belgian constitution  > >> > >> "Article 4 > >> Belgium comprises four linguistic regions: the Dutch-speaking region, > the > >> French- > >> speaking region, the bilingual region of Brussels-Capital and the > >> German-speaking region. > >> Each municipality of the Kingdom forms part of one of these linguistic > >> regions." > >> > >> In the Swiss constitution  it is stated directly that there are four > >> national languages. It is also the article 4: > >> > >> "Art. 4 National languages > >> The National Languages are German, French, Italian, and Romansh." > >> > >> It is not a light question, - which language is the default one for > these > >> countries. In my opinion, following these official texts is the best > >> solution. > >> > >>  > >> > https://www.dekamer.be/kvvcr/pdf_sections/publications/constitution/GrondwetUK.pdf > >>  > >> > https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19995395/index.html#a4 > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Oleksiy > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> talk mailing list > >> email@example.com > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > firstname.lastname@example.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >
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