Hi Folks,

It is very carefully worded (re the some attributions) in the following page

https://docs.mapbox.com/help/how-mapbox-works/attribution/

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Mapbox wordmark
The Mapbox wordmark is a small image containing the stylized word "Mapbox". It 
typically resides on the bottom left corner of a map. While you may move the 
wordmark to a different corner of the map, we require the Mapbox wordmark to 
appear on our maps so that Mapbox and its maps get proper credit. If you wish 
to otherwise move or remove the Mapbox wordmark, contact Mapbox sales.

Text attribution
The text attribution contains at least three links: © Mapbox, © OpenStreetMap 
and Improve this map. This attribution is strictly required when using the 
Mapbox Streets tileset due to OpenStreetMap's data source ODbL license. Some 
other Mapbox-provided tilesets require additional attribution which is stored 
in the TileJSON of the tileset.

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I think what many people are suggesting is that the attribution cant be behind 
an I icon or similar. I have noted that on wider screens the correct 
attribution is shown but as screen size gets smaller it MAY disappear (to 
behind the I Icon or similar) on SOME sites or SOME operating systems. I think 
the size is 600 pixels or thereabouts. Is this the "issue" you really want 
resolved? Very easy to test on any PC screen. If I rotate my mobile device the 
full attribution is often there whilst behind some icon in portrait mode.

This is all up to the developer of the site or app I would suggest, not Mapbox 
or any other tile provider, who in general provide good documentation spelling 
out when Open Street Map attribution is required. Maybe OSM needs to develop 
its own "wordmark" and insist that is used instead, but it will face the same 
issues.

To me this also leads to a question - is there some other technical way that 
OSM can ensure attribution when its data is used. The text from Mapbox above 
suggests that in some Mapbox provided tilesets attribution requirements are 
stored in TileJSON for the tileset.

NOTE: - I am no coder, just a OSM editor but I do know that many of these 
'requirements" are easy to avoid so you really are just relying on goodwill 
unless you want to start taking legal action against non compliers. I suspect 
many would want the precious funds that OSMF holds to go to more worthwhile 
causes.

My 2 cents worth

Cheers - Phil


-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Eisenberg <[email protected]> 
Sent: Sunday, 29 December 2019 3:28 PM
To: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Attribution guideline status update

Re: Mapbox's response:

"There are also some customers who have white-labeled in which they don't have 
to provide some attributions."

What does it mean for a customer to have [been] white-labeled? Is this like a 
white-list of customers who have paid extra so that they don't have to 
attribute Mapbox, perhaps? Or am I misunderstanding this phrase?

However, Openstreetmap does not have any exception for certain customers to 
skip attribution because they paid a certain amount to Mapbox or even to the 
OSMF.

Perhaps if many of Mapbox's customers are really unwilling to add attribution, 
we could change the license to allow database users to pay for the privelege of 
not providing appropriate attribution. But right now this is not allowed by the 
current license.

Joseph Eisenberg

Disclosure: I have no personal financial interest in Openstreetmap, though I do 
spend lots of time and some real money on it (internet service fees, new 
laptop, etc), and I sometimes try to get humanitarian organisations and 
businesses here in Indonesia to start using Openstreetmap data, with 
appropriate attribution.

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