On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 16:06, Tom Oinn <[email protected]> wrote: >> We're doing these enhancement this and next month, and as I've stated >> in my previous email it's mainly me, Alex and Alan who's involved in >> this. > I thought the plan was to get them finished this month? I did think it > was rather ambitious.
Most "this week" and "this month" estimates fail to include all the other things that tend to turn up on the desk the next day.. :-( >> I get your points that the informal discussions don't get caught in >> the public channels. The myGrid meeting minutes are public, > I'm not sure that helps, I often had difficulty understanding them and I > was in the meetings ;) Feedback is allowed - in particular to the person minuting I guess.. I know there's variations on the level of details included in these minutes - but yes - often even the participants in the meetings don't follow all the things discussed as the myGrid meeting is covering a wide range of projects... (Remember when we were discussing Raven classloader problems..I don't think anyone understood it in the end! :-)) > Oh, I entirely understand why it's happened. The key point is that if > you want a developer community you have to involve them, it's different > from interacting with end users. By opening this kind of discussion up > you'll actually get more people involved, or at least have the chance > to, and then it *won't* just be you and a couple of other people, you'll > have more resources for the project than you'd have otherwise and the > extra time taken will be worth it. Yes, I see your point - and even if I almost like a kid started posting everything we discussed today in the office, we've already received some feedback, so we should definitively try to engage more, earlier and more often. myGrid developers - you have been encouraged to post more - even those tiny little things! I think we'll try to find some middle way on this.. but some good idea as to what approach to follow would be good, as we've said even several years ago that we should include "the community" more.. For instance we're (supposed to) have quick stand-up meetings every morning. Perhaps we should post a message to the list about what we said in that meeting. (also suggested earlier - but we quickly stopped doing it for some reason). At some point we had these stand-ups on our IRC chat - but only the usual suspects attended those as well.. BTW - what code is it you have that you can't submit..? Is it for the platform? The contribution agreement [1] is a quite standard one - in fact it's literally the same as for contributing to an Apache project, except "Apache organisation" is replaced with "University of Manchester". I believe following the Apache line was an idea suggested by yourself at an OMII-UK workshop. Do you suggest we start a "Taverna foundation" or something to avoid the University of Manchester ownership? The main idea was that there will be just one copyright holder (well, joint with the individual copyright holders), and setting up a separate organisation takes time, energy and money.. (that's moving into politics :-) ) [1] http://www.mygrid.org.uk/tools/developer-information/contributing-to-taverna/ -- Stian Soiland-Reyes, myGrid team School of Computer Science The University of Manchester ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com _______________________________________________ taverna-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/taverna-users Documentation: http://www.mygrid.org.uk/usermanual1.7/ FAQ: http://www.mygrid.org.uk/wiki/Mygrid/TavernaFaq Biological Services: http://www.mygrid.org.uk/wiki/Mygrid/BiologicalWebServices
