Hi there!
On 17 Jan 00, at 17:50, Tom Plunket wrote
about "Re[2]: suggestion- / wish-list":
> AVK>>> Press <down><down><home> instead;-)
>
> MDP> it's only one additional keystroke after all.
>
> Umm, it's 50% more typing. See, the problem doesn't manifest itself
> 'til you're actually trying to use the software in a real fashion, and
> you don't want to fight with the interface.
Nope, the point is not valid. Just give me a possibility to create my own/modify
existing keybindings, and that's it. IMHO, next paragraph should be "Ctrl-
Down", previous paragraph "Ctrl-Up", word right "Ctrl-Right", word left "Ctrl-
Left", delete word right "Ctrl-Del" (unless there exists a persistant block
selected, in the latter case it should delete this block), delete word left "Ctrl-
Backspace". This list might be prolonged ad infinitum;-) Just give me all this --
and it will no longer be "50% more typing", it will happily become "50%+ less";-
)
> AVK>>> Please, don't do this! Maybe as an option only;-) It's the thing
> AVK>>> I like *most* in TB's editor, morethenthat, I use *only* the
> AVK>>> editors that support this...
>
> MDP> Agreed, completely.
>
> Well, you two aren't typical Windows users. As it goes, virtual space
> has some people who like it and others who don't.
Well, it might become AFAIK that M$ is no longer a "typical Windows user",
too;-) Their "point-and-shoot" marketing trick sounds like that;-)) But anyhow,
yes, I came here from OS/2, and *there* the majority happened to use free
caret;-)
> That said, if I could map the BRIEF keys to operations, I wouldn't
> mind it 'cause that's what I'm used to when programming. However, the
> abortion known as the Borland keymap mixed with CUA really doesn't
> help me use virtual space.
That's my own problem, too. I usually use the editors that allow me to re-
assign all the key bindings... But well, RIT labs have already stated that they'll
introduce the configurable keycombos in ver. 2.
> Why, so these feelings get reinforced? Seriously, the reason I don't
> like virtual space have nothing to do with the fact that I'm not used
> to it. They have EVERYTHING to do with the fact that I use it and I
> don't like it and I remember the days when I was programming with
> emacs and I still feel that emacs 19 is the most powerful editor that
> I've ever used. See, I don't mind using the keyboard. I HATE being
> required to use the mouse.
So do I. Hence the current behaviour of TB's editor is what I like most.
> No better suited than an editor without virtual space. I mean
> seriously, any text editor probably does a fine job at editing text
> files. However, to have the broadest appeal you have to appeal to the
> broadest market.
Not necessarily. Nobody needs one more M$;-) Neither M$ itself needs it...
> MDP> IMHO "Many other popular apps" do not have to work on
> MDP> semi-formatted plain text in anything like the same way.
>
> In my memory, emacs does a fine job, is more configurable, and has
> more features.
Emacs is a specialized editor. TB is a MUA. Feel the difference. For editing I
use emacs under Linux and Mac (oh god! make it so that I *never* need to
work on Mac again!;-)), Mr. Ed under OS/2, WinEdt under Windows. If I were
to compare these three, the best for me would be WinEdt. When Delphi gets
finally ported to Linux (and hence WinEdt for Linux gets available), I'll switch
like a flash;-)
> Hmm, glad that's your opinion because any intelligent programmer
> wouldn't have set the system up to require a plethora of underlying
> conditional coding to subvert the editor.
Depends on... I'll bet, a certain fraction of TB's editor code comes directly
from DN's internal editor;-))
> To cross the beams, this is one reason why an external editor would be
> so great; I could use one that does what I want it to do.
Good idea, of course. But we live in real world, don't we?
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