Hello Paul,

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:59:28 -0400 GMT (16-Apr-20, 21:59 +0700 GMT),
Paul Van Noord wrote:

> 4/16/2020  10:41 AM

> Hi Thomas,

> On 4/15/2020 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF>> Hello Paul,

TF>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:17:14 -0400 GMT (15-Apr-20, 22:17 +0700 GMT),
TF>> Paul Van Noord wrote:

>>>>>> There will have been a reason for that, don't you think?

>>>>> Isn't the Beta usually taken down when Ritlabs issues a new Beta
>>>>> or release version?

TF>>>> That's correct. It has become useless, as any bugs found should not be
TF>>>> distributed any more. That's the whole idea of beta testing.

>>> There have been multiple occasions in the past where a given beta caused
>>> problems  for me requiring me to go to a previous version. This is why I
>>> keep  copies  of  all acceptable betas. "Latest and greatest" are not
>>> synonymous!

TF>> Yes, beta versions can have problems, that's why users of beta
TF>> versions are called beta testers, and they participate in the beta
TF>> forum (or mailing list, as it is in the case of TheBat) and report
TF>> back. There is never a reason for someone who is not a beta tester to
TF>> download any beta version.

TF>> Once the release version is out, there is no need to revert back to a
TF>> beta version.

TF>> Otherwise, there would be something fundamentally wrong with the beta
TF>> process. I'm not saying saying this never happens in the world, I am
TF>> just saying it would be highly unusual if you have to revert back from
TF>> a release version to a beta version to make have a better version.

> I  have  been  a  TB user for 32 years. I have been a beta tester for at
> least 12 years. Perhaps my TB experience exceeds your experience. I have
> clients  all  over  the  world.  I  fail to appreciate someone of lesser
> experience  telling me the "facts". A closed mind slams the door shut on
> ability to learn.

You are right here, I bow to your experience. I have only be a beta
tester for TB for 21 years. My MSc in Computing is already more than
10 years old, and my programming skills that started in 1978 are a bit
rusty by now, so they don't count. I feel privileged to have found a
master in you.

> My  methods  have  proven their value in the test of time and experience
> for  me  and  my  clients.  Since  I highly customize the TB ui for each
> client.  It  is  absurd  that a release of a MSI would be published with
> this  glaring  defect.  It  forced  me  back  to  a  beta  where Toolbar
> Customization worked as it did for many years!

Yes, as I said: It is the exception. The exception does not make it a
rule though. If I were you, I would not use beta versions with my
clients, but that's your decision. I would test the new releases
myself before upgrading, and if I cannot recommend them, would go back
to the previous release. Not any beta version; I would recommend them
only for beta testers, never for production and especially not for

But that's me, and people work differently. And here is a fact: I hope
the IT guy in my company does not install any beta versions on our



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