Hello A,


On  Wednesday, September 20, 2000  at  15:52:34 GMT -0500 (which was 1:52 PM
where I live) witnesses say A . Curtis Martin typed:

A>> If there are any people out there who prefer the preview pane to cut
A>> the right half of the main window *exactly* in the middle, as is now
A>> the case, then *that* would simply be *these* particular users' sticky
A>> window position, right?

> Exactly. :-)

So let me understand, you want TB to remember your preferred layout
for every configuration that's available?  Isn't that a lot of data to
be stored?  Or do you mean just the sizes of the preview pane, the
message list and the account folder for every view?

JA>>> However, I don't know many programs that remember settings to old
JA>>> arrangements after they've been changed.

> <cough> Are you serious there Januk? TB! is one of the few that I know
> that doesn't remember such settings. It's a very prominent shortcoming,
> simply because it's so basic in nature.

I think I misunderstood.  I was thinking, if you *resize* a pane, how
is TB going to remember your old size.  But between different views,
that's another matter.

JA>>> This one is sticky on my system.

A>> Are we talking about the same thing? I mean the *user-modified* width
A>> of the account tree, after you switched back to another view (let's
A>> say, full-width preview window) and then *returned* to the full height
A>> account tree.

Ah, no, we weren't talking about the same thing.  Yes you're right on
this point.

JA>>> TB is not known for the lack of keystrokes if you want to use the
JA>>> keyboard shortcuts.

A>> You've got to be kidding.

Let me rephrase: Do you know of any shortcuts on TB that *don't*
require too many keys?

A>>  Have you ever laid eyes on Pegasus or
A>> Opera's mailer? If you'd like, I can forward to this maillist the
A>> list of astounding keyboard shortcuts (few as they are!) from Opera's
A>> mailer -- your eyes will pop out.

I used to use Netscape mail, I remember how convenient good keyboard
shortcuts are.

> TB!'s shortcuts are there but the mapping is another of TB!'s weak
> points and this has a lot to do with the quick search which opens
> automatically when you start typing in the main view window. IOW's, the
> quick search facility may be invoked with the use of any of 36 keys when
> the message list is in focus.

More keys than that are lost, all the Shift-letter keys are lost to
the quick search utility.

> Because of this, all the possible single key shortcuts have gone up
> in smoke.

And most of the easy two key ones as well.

>  It would have been much better to
> invoke the quick search with a single shortcut

The question becomes, why have a quick search facility at all if you
call it up with a shortcut?  Why not call up the full search utility
with the same shortcut?

I don't use Quick search much, so I wouldn't miss it much if it were
removed.

A>> Come again? I thought, the needs of *end user(s)*.

<snip>

> Quite true.

Not really.  RIT can only do so much, so they will first focus on
issues that bother them as well.  They may be prompted by end users,
but it is still their decision whether or not the problem is worth
devoting any of their limited resources fixing or improving.

>  Depends on who the target customers are. Ritlabs needs to
> make a decision on this and remain focused in this regard.

The seem to be doing a good job of this.  Their target users appear to
be Power users who care more about the capabilities of the program
than details in the workings of its interface.

> But, Avarenius, what you are complaining of here applies to any
> customer. :-)

Any customer who changes views regularly.  Not me. :)

> This is my selling point for TB!. :-) Despite it's problems, overall, it
> is a knockout. I can't find a better one.

Agreed.

 

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