I hear you on this, thinking about it I'd like to ask you what would be a solution to this rather recurrent issue/problem we're facing from the Linux side of the spectrum? What would be a solution or a framework that could somehow negate most of the effects of this particular problem?. I grew up tired as well from this bs that clearly affects OpenBSD appeal to the masses. But, in life I've learned to make decisions, and no decision is free and I just pay the bill and live peacefully away from bullshit and bad software.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Marc Espie <es...@nerim.net> wrote: > Basically, we have a pattern, mostly observed with kde (and a bit with > gnome) which is really harmful for us. > > Those vendors say "we're not in the distribution business, distribution > problems will be handled by OS vendors. We can break compatibility to > advance, and not think about it, this is not a problem." > > This is a mindset we need to fight, and this has to be a grass-roots > movement. > > The main effect of THAT attitude is to *HURT* the opensource community, > big time. It's as harmful as the patent portfolio of big business. > > Basically, it precludes smaller players from playing on a level field. > As soon as you're different enough (and that's mostly NOT linux these > days), you can't keep up. Those distribution problems are LARGE. > > They occupy a few people in our team FULLTIME with respect to gnome, > they're > the reason we still DON'T have a full kde4 in our tree (hopefully to be > addressed shortly), and they're the reason why sometimes we do drop old > stuff (like killing gtk+1, and people really wanting to kill some gtk2/qt3 > stuff). > > It takes a lot of manpower to address complex distribution issues. If you > don't have tens of people, it becomes more and more of a losing battle, > actually... > > It's also quickly turning Posix and Unix into a travesty: either you have > the linux goodies, or you don't. And if you don't, you can forget anything > modern... > > in some cases, you even have some people, who are PAID by some vendors, > agressively pushing GRATUITOUS, non compatible changes. I won't say names, > but you guys can fill the blanks in. > > I'm pretty sure there's a lot of good intention behind the "progress" in > recent desktops. But this is turning the field of OS distributions into > a wasteland. Either you're a modern linux with pulseaudio and pam and > systemd, or you're dying. So much for the pionneer spirit of opensource, > where you were free to innovate and do cool things, and more or less have > interesting software able to run on your machine...
