Hello Chris Well, I can't actually try JFW because the demo version is only 32-bit and ours is the 64-bit version of Windows. Maybe it will work; but again, we have Ultimate and the demo page seems to indicate that it only works on Home basic and Home Premium.
Window-Eyes doesn't to my knowledge allow you to see the design of a website which is a huge oversight in my opinion. Not to worry; I've downloaded NVDA and once we figure out how to configure and use Braille displays with it, we'll most likely stop using WE for the most part. Gordon was saying yesterday that he agrees with those who are less than impressed with the new version of WE. In fact, it seems to have gone down the pan since 7.0 if all the testimonials I've seen are to be believe, rather than the somewhat antiquated write-up on the GW Micro website. Lynne On 29 Dec 2011, at 12:38, chris hallsworth wrote: Hello Lynn well JFW does the same thing as Window-Eyes in terms of web pages. You can however change this somewhere. You are looking for document presentation. Change that to use screen layout. On 29/12/2011 06:06, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > NVDA seems far more object orientated than either of the big two. I really > don't mean to offend; but this is one of those instances where vision is a > very definite advantage in terms of assessing accessibility. Window-Eyes > changes your web page into a vertical sheet of paper, in effect, made from > electrons. Each "Line" can contain a link or other element. In the > object-orientated environment, however, links are usually situated > side-by-side, often with other text or elements, and with title tooltips so > that when you hover the mouse over the link, other information appears. > Window-Eyes doesn't even seem to read out the tooltip info without additional > interaction. I'd have to check, and I will; but I seem to remember that NVDA > does do that. > > I am starting to think I need to try JFW, just to see what all the fuss is > about. I am going to do that this morning too. I have some free time, so why > not use it to further my knowledge. > > I take Paul's well-founded points. Yes, development costs money. But the > point I was making was that Apple must surely have incurred the same costs; > yet they make their screen-reader available free of charge. My criticism was > aimed towards Microsoft primarily; rather than the access companies. However, > I do believe that they do over-charge. I accept the point about market sizes; > but manufacturers of monitors etc. face stiff competition. They too have to > develop their products; yet their prices aren't in the thousands. > > Lynne > > On 29 Dec 2011, at 04:57, Chris Johnson wrote: > > Golly, > This thread has read like a battle field. > > I like what Paul said about the expenses that a company must go through to > output a quality product. And if wasn't for their effort and all those who > DECIDED to buy their products, hence supporting their further research and > development, all these free and great screenreaders and such that we have > today wouldn't be what they are. > > that being said. > NVDA works great with Thunderbird and is much more "Maclike" than other > screenreaders (e.g. H for headings and other commands similar to Voiceover > when in Browse mode, for example). > > > ======================================= > > The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free > > To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web > pages located at > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at > either of the following websites: > > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html > > Or: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]> > you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. 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