Ok Lynn well with Window-Eyes demo version you download one program and
you can install it on any flavour of Windows.
On 29/12/2011 16:02, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
Hello Chris
I will check again; but I'm sure I read that on the home page, it only worked
on certain brands of 32-bit Windows. But you may indeed be correct.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say it's not like WE because WE will work
on any brand of Windows.
Lynne
On 29 Dec 2011, at 15:37, chris hallsworth wrote:
Hi Lynn no JFW demo version runs on both 32 and 64 bit Windows. The trick is to
download the correct version according to your version of Windows. This is
unlike WE or any other screen reader since the one program works on both
platforms. I don't know why FS went down this route but there you go. Anyway to
be honest I like WE for the most part but because NVDA works with the
applications I use on a daily basis I choose to use that as primary and WE for
enhanced iTunes experience or apps that NVDA just cannot cope with, which is
fewer and fewer as each new release comes out.
On 29/12/2011 15:14, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
Hello Chris
Well, I can't actually try JFW because the demo version is only 32-bit and ours
is the 64-bit version of Windows. Maybe it will work; but again, we have
Ultimate and the demo page seems to indicate that it only works on Home basic
and Home Premium.
Window-Eyes doesn't to my knowledge allow you to see the design of a website
which is a huge oversight in my opinion. Not to worry; I've downloaded NVDA and
once we figure out how to configure and use Braille displays with it, we'll
most likely stop using WE for the most part. Gordon was saying yesterday that
he agrees with those who are less than impressed with the new version of WE. In
fact, it seems to have gone down the pan since 7.0 if all the testimonials I've
seen are to be believe, rather than the somewhat antiquated write-up on the GW
Micro website.
Lynne
On 29 Dec 2011, at 12:38, chris hallsworth wrote:
Hello Lynn well JFW does the same thing as Window-Eyes in terms of web pages.
You can however change this somewhere. You are looking for document
presentation. Change that to use screen layout.
On 29/12/2011 06:06, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
Hello Chris
NVDA seems far more object orientated than either of the big two. I really don't mean to
offend; but this is one of those instances where vision is a very definite advantage in
terms of assessing accessibility. Window-Eyes changes your web page into a vertical sheet
of paper, in effect, made from electrons. Each "Line" can contain a link or
other element. In the object-orientated environment, however, links are usually situated
side-by-side, often with other text or elements, and with title tooltips so that when you
hover the mouse over the link, other information appears. Window-Eyes doesn't even seem
to read out the tooltip info without additional interaction. I'd have to check, and I
will; but I seem to remember that NVDA does do that.
I am starting to think I need to try JFW, just to see what all the fuss is
about. I am going to do that this morning too. I have some free time, so why
not use it to further my knowledge.
I take Paul's well-founded points. Yes, development costs money. But the point
I was making was that Apple must surely have incurred the same costs; yet they
make their screen-reader available free of charge. My criticism was aimed
towards Microsoft primarily; rather than the access companies. However, I do
believe that they do over-charge. I accept the point about market sizes; but
manufacturers of monitors etc. face stiff competition. They too have to develop
their products; yet their prices aren't in the thousands.
Lynne
On 29 Dec 2011, at 04:57, Chris Johnson wrote:
Golly,
This thread has read like a battle field.
I like what Paul said about the expenses that a company must go through to
output a quality product. And if wasn't for their effort and all those who
DECIDED to buy their products, hence supporting their further research and
development, all these free and great screenreaders and such that we have today
wouldn't be what they are.
that being said.
NVDA works great with Thunderbird and is much more "Maclike" than other
screenreaders (e.g. H for headings and other commands similar to Voiceover when in Browse
mode, for example).
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