Its the society we live in I'm afraid and the choice is simple enough, either we have privacy and we have more attacks like 9/11 or we allow data to be collected and analysed in the hope of a peaceful world, can't have it 2 ways.
On 13/09/2013, at 11:29 PM, Josh Gregory <[email protected]> wrote: > Yeah, anybody who thinks we have privacy, not taking a stab at anyone, but we > really don't. Not anymore. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Dane Trethowan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The title of the documentary is a little deceptive and should be changed to >> "In Technology We Trust", I'm only supposing that the producers of the >> documentary named the programme the way they did as Google is a household >> name. >> >> In the documentary you quickly learn that Apple is just as bad when it comes >> to online security and so forth as anyone else. >> >> As for Google doing what they do? Well again its not something that worries >> me all that much, privacy is something that has long and truly left us so as >> users we need to be particularly careful what we do online. >> >> The documentary doesn't just focus on Internet activities either, the >> collection, matching and usage of Data goes well beyond the net. >> >> The video should be available shortly and I'll post the link when it is. >> >> >> On 13/09/2013, at 9:31 PM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I have always expressed my distrust of Google and that is especially true >>> of their email services. It is my understanding that Google stores >>> archives of all email passing through its system regardless of user >>> preferences. So, consider: You place an order with an online store, and >>> they send you an email confirming your purchase order. I have seen vendors >>> who do not strip out card numbers from confirmation emails. So, if you >>> haffen to be purchasing from one of these vendors and you are using Google >>> Mail as your email provider, Google then has full details of not only your >>> personal address and quite possibly telephone number, but they also have an >>> email in their archive containing your credit or debit card number. >>> Happily, such cases are becoming more rare due to the fact that more and >>> more online vendors are becoming security conscious. All the same, it >>> makes me shudder when I think about the possibilities of fraudulant >>> practices owing to card details being stored in the archives of a service >>> provider. >>> Naturally, I'm not pointing the finger of blame at any specific individual >>> here. But I for one am extremely glad that I don't use a public mail >>> provider such as Google or Hotmail. >>> I always wonder why people feel the need to use these facilities at all >>> when, in the majority of cases, Internes service providers usually opporate >>> their own internal servers, offering their users a far more secure means of >>> email than Google or Hotmail. Can somebody who uses one of these services >>> explain to me why they do so? Is it because they wish to segregate mail >>> and/or restrict the distribution of certain mail accounts to different >>> friends or providers? If so, why not just take up the secondary mailbox >>> services which the service provider also usually offers, or else take out >>> an account with another privately run server, such as Mac Access or similar? >>> It is also worth considering the use of mail rules in most modern clients. >>> For instance, Apple Mail, Thunderbird, Eudora, Outlook Express, Outlook >>> 2003, 2007, 2010 and 2013 all fully support sophistiaated Email rules and >>> junk filtering. So what is the advantage of having numerous accounts in >>> numerous places? >>> >>> whilst it is certainly true that some mail providers do opperate a mail >>> quota policy, thereby restricting a user to various amounts of either >>> throughput or incoming mail, responsible use of the Email system should >>> avoid problems. For example, all Mailman servers or compatible, (which >>> accounts for over 98 percent of all maib services which handle list >>> traffic), have both websites where you can custoomise or temporarily >>> disable delivery of mail without actually leaving the list, plus the fact >>> that the email mechanism itself can be used to manipulate the delivery of >>> mail traffic. >>> This is a pet subject for me, but I've waffled enough for the time being. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Dane Trethowan <[email protected] >>> To: "Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm!" <[email protected] >>> Date sent: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 23:56:56 +1000 >>> Subject: In Google we Trust >>> >>> This is a must watch 4 Corners programme, saw it last night and its >>> repeated again on Saturday evening on ABC News 24. >>> >>> You can of course watch the programme through ABC iView or get further >>> details, see videos and interviews at >>> <http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2013/09/09/3842009.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> ======================================= >>> >>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free >>> >>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web >>> pages located at >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at >>> either of the following websites: >>> >>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>> >>> Or: >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]> >>> you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. 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