Well when you phrase it like that, I guess I prefer the second option. Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Dane Trethowan <[email protected]> wrote: > Its the society we live in I'm afraid and the choice is simple enough, either > we have privacy and we have more attacks like 9/11 or we allow data to be > collected and analysed in the hope of a peaceful world, can't have it 2 ways. > > On 13/09/2013, at 11:29 PM, Josh Gregory <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yeah, anybody who thinks we have privacy, not taking a stab at anyone, but >> we really don't. Not anymore. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Dane Trethowan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The title of the documentary is a little deceptive and should be changed to >>> "In Technology We Trust", I'm only supposing that the producers of the >>> documentary named the programme the way they did as Google is a household >>> name. >>> >>> In the documentary you quickly learn that Apple is just as bad when it >>> comes to online security and so forth as anyone else. >>> >>> As for Google doing what they do? Well again its not something that worries >>> me all that much, privacy is something that has long and truly left us so >>> as users we need to be particularly careful what we do online. >>> >>> The documentary doesn't just focus on Internet activities either, the >>> collection, matching and usage of Data goes well beyond the net. >>> >>> The video should be available shortly and I'll post the link when it is. >>> >>> >>> On 13/09/2013, at 9:31 PM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I have always expressed my distrust of Google and that is especially true >>>> of their email services. It is my understanding that Google stores >>>> archives of all email passing through its system regardless of user >>>> preferences. So, consider: You place an order with an online store, and >>>> they send you an email confirming your purchase order. I have seen >>>> vendors who do not strip out card numbers from confirmation emails. So, >>>> if you haffen to be purchasing from one of these vendors and you are using >>>> Google Mail as your email provider, Google then has full details of not >>>> only your personal address and quite possibly telephone number, but they >>>> also have an email in their archive containing your credit or debit card >>>> number. >>>> Happily, such cases are becoming more rare due to the fact that more and >>>> more online vendors are becoming security conscious. All the same, it >>>> makes me shudder when I think about the possibilities of fraudulant >>>> practices owing to card details being stored in the archives of a service >>>> provider. >>>> Naturally, I'm not pointing the finger of blame at any specific individual >>>> here. But I for one am extremely glad that I don't use a public mail >>>> provider such as Google or Hotmail. >>>> I always wonder why people feel the need to use these facilities at all >>>> when, in the majority of cases, Internes service providers usually >>>> opporate their own internal servers, offering their users a far more >>>> secure means of email than Google or Hotmail. Can somebody who uses one >>>> of these services explain to me why they do so? Is it because they wish >>>> to segregate mail and/or restrict the distribution of certain mail >>>> accounts to different friends or providers? If so, why not just take up >>>> the secondary mailbox services which the service provider also usually >>>> offers, or else take out an account with another privately run server, >>>> such as Mac Access or similar? >>>> It is also worth considering the use of mail rules in most modern clients. >>>> For instance, Apple Mail, Thunderbird, Eudora, Outlook Express, Outlook >>>> 2003, 2007, 2010 and 2013 all fully support sophistiaated Email rules and >>>> junk filtering. So what is the advantage of having numerous accounts in >>>> numerous places? >>>> >>>> whilst it is certainly true that some mail providers do opperate a mail >>>> quota policy, thereby restricting a user to various amounts of either >>>> throughput or incoming mail, responsible use of the Email system should >>>> avoid problems. For example, all Mailman servers or compatible, (which >>>> accounts for over 98 percent of all maib services which handle list >>>> traffic), have both websites where you can custoomise or temporarily >>>> disable delivery of mail without actually leaving the list, plus the fact >>>> that the email mechanism itself can be used to manipulate the delivery of >>>> mail traffic. >>>> This is a pet subject for me, but I've waffled enough for the time being. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Dane Trethowan <[email protected] >>>> To: "Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm!" <[email protected] >>>> Date sent: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 23:56:56 +1000 >>>> Subject: In Google we Trust >>>> >>>> This is a must watch 4 Corners programme, saw it last night and its >>>> repeated again on Saturday evening on ABC News 24. >>>> >>>> You can of course watch the programme through ABC iView or get further >>>> details, see videos and interviews at >>>> <http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2013/09/09/3842009.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ======================================= >>>> >>>> The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>> and worm-free >>>> >>>> To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated >>>> web pages located at >>>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at >>>> either of the following websites: >>>> >>>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html >>>> >>>> Or: >>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]> >>>> you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. 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