You may want to try this: Go to: http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan/com/ or http://housecall.trendmicro.com/housecall/start_corp.asp
And do an on-line virus scan to see how many viruses were missed by your antivirus. You even may want to try both. I haven't heard of any programs that catches every single virus. That's why an occasional on-line scan is important. I'm surprised no one else has commented on this. -- Best regards, Bil Green 2001 TV VCR Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546 760-934-2001 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Saturday, January 31, 2004, 3:27:24 PM, you wrote: TTE> Don't confuse Spyware with AV programs. TTE> Apples and Oranges. TTE> Spyware is what they can harvest from your computer. TTE> Virus is what they can plant in your computer. TTE> Keep in mind that a Virus can be embedded in your computer for TTE> months or even years, and will not show itself till time/date/year is TTE> reached on your computer clock. TTE> The one we are discussing will be February 1st. TTE> Apparently will go back into hibernation shortly after. These things are TTE> discreetly written, and most of us, with a good "Horse Sense" will not TTE> even have realized it was there. TTE> I use Norton AV 2003, I had 17 attacks,(this week) and Norton caught TTE> them each time. TTE> The ones using "horse sense" probably have them, and nothing TTE> shows. TTE> Bottom line...An AV program of any sort will keep this problem to a TTE> minimum, and if you value your computer, your files, your hard drive, TTE> and mostly the friends and groups you communicate with. TTE> Enough Said? TTE> -Ed- TTE> Ed Gaidies TTE> Tel-Tek Electronics TTE> Ontario-Canada TTE> [EMAIL PROTECTED] TTE> -----Original Message----- TTE> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TTE> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Calvin Neal TTE> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:01 PM TTE> To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST TTE> Subject: Re: [Techs] WHO DONE IT!!!!! TTE> I think it comes down to three scenarios... TTE> 1. If you don't have an AV program you suddenly see a TTE> noticeable degradation in the performance of your TTE> computer... TTE> 2. you don't think your computer is infected...'till TTE> someone else with an AV program tells you that you TTE> have passed something to them... TTE> 3. you spring for an AV program...and lo and TTE> behold.......you are infected...(even though you TTE> didn't think you were) TTE> I am told that "spyware" can raise havoc with your TTE> system as well...I use spyware nuker on my TTE> computer...don't really understand what it is...I just TTE> know I don't want it on my computer :) I use one of TTE> those freeware AV programs....seems to work as good as TTE> the rest. Large corporations probably pay thousands TTE> of dollars for their sofisticated AV software...yet, TTE> still get havoc raised with their systems. It's a TTE> difficult problem for everyone to deal with... TTE> --- Bruce Tiedeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I used to pride myself "not having a virus program", >> and not being infected >> , it was great. Why bother! The problem was some >> times the phone is ringing >> , customers coming in and being in a hurry one day >> opened a infected file. >> Not thinking straight I hit it again because it did >> not open, I then looked >> at the size of the file seeing it was only a few K >> new it was a virus. This >> is where the problems begin. I downloaded programs >> to get rid of the virus >> ,it worked and cleaned up my computer. This is what >> I thought any way ,but >> my computer started doing weird things. It would >> shut off by itself, freeze >> up etc.and only got worse. I had to reformat and >> reload all programs. I then >> put on a free virus program am now using Norton 2003 >> "it was free", and has >> found many virus's in the past no problem. I still >> look at attachment email >> and delete them even if from friends, if they are >> small only a few K or I am >> unsure of they get deleted especially the joke >> email. >> Just wanted to share what can happen, of course >> there are those that don't >> make mistakes this does not apply!!. >> Bruce. >> >> B&T Electronics >> 139 Margaret St >> Sarnia Ontario >> Canada >> N7T 2Y3 >> 519 344 1850 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Eugene Spooner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 11:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [Techs] WHO DONE IT!!!!! >> >> >> > Begging yer pardon ! I VOTE TO GET RID OF GARY >> McCARTNEY >> > as I never had an anti-virus program and have not >> gotten >> > infected and used Horse Sense as the best line of >> Defense. I >> > think he implies that there are a lot of folks >> that don't >> > have horse sense ! Wonder if he is lacking in same >> ? Easy to >> > implement ? Yes , if YOU send me the money to do >> so. >> > Best: Eugene >> > >> > Gary McCartney wrote: >> > > >> > > Doug, why not make it manditory for the techs to >> have antivirus or they >> > > can't be on the list. You could make them send >> you a print-screen >> > > showing their antivirus program on their >> computer screen or they could >> > > send you a store receipt showing their purchase >> of the software. Just an >> > > idea. It probably wouldn't be as easy as that to >> impliment. >> > > >> > > Gary McCartney >> > > >> > > McCartney Electronics >> > > Guelph Ontario Canada >> > > Est. 1984 >> > > email: gary (at) number63.ca >> > > >> > > Doug Keller wrote: >> > > > >> > > > What gripes my a** is that AVG and HouseCall >> are FREE!!!!!!!!!!!! When >> > > > something is offered for free, there is >> absolutely no excuse for not >> > > > having it. None but apathy and/or laziness, >> that is. I have posted and >> > > > posted and posted to techassist over the >> years, as Clint used to do >> > > > also, all to no avail. There are just some out >> there that won't do it. >> > > > Here is the link if any of you want to use it >> or pass it on: >> > > > http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php >> > > > >> > > > Doug Keller >> > > > Wis-Kel Electronics >> > > > 101 Freeland Ave. >> > > > Terra Alta, WV >> > > > USA 26764 >> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > http://www.tech-assist.org >> > > > "Learn from the mistakes of others, because >> you >> > > > won't live long enough to make them all >> yourself" >> > > > >> > > > Mark Wentowski wrote: >> > > > >> > > > >Good Jeff. It should also be mentioned that >> Norton protection costs >> less >> > > > >than $30.00 per year. It does piss me off >> that we have loose cannons >> out >> > > > >there who have no regard for the other >> person. Heck. >> > > > > >> > > > >Mark Wentowski >> > > > >Perry Hill Electronics >> > > > >3836 Harrison Rd. >> > > > >Montgomery AL 36109 >> > > > >phone: (334)279-5622 >> > > > >fax: (334)273-9050 >> > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > > >> > > > >-----Original Message----- >> > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Behalf Of Intrepid Video >> > > > >Support >> > > > >Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 9:41 PM >> > > > >To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST >> > > > >Subject: Re: [Techs] WHO DONE IT!!!!! >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >Mark, >> > > > >Sounds like you do more than most. >> > > > >Like I said, I had gotten several of these in >> between my Norton >> updates, but >> > > > >they were obviously >> > > > >suspicious...Usually the message body makes >> no sense. >> > > > >If you're not sure, just don't open it.. >> Getting a vir*s really puts >> a >> > > > >damper on email lists, their users >> > > > >and in general the web itself.. >> > > > >All the while happening in the process of our >> websites and email >> lists >> > > > >changing servers. New people will >> > > > >not be subscribed unless they contact me >> personally. This vir*s has >> been >> > > > >trying to subscribe to the list >> > > > >and I had to turn that function off until >> this thing subsides...10-20 >> admin >> > > > >rejects per day.. >> > > > > >> > > > >Jeff Dougherty >> > > > >Intrepid Video TV/VCR >> > > > >263 S Front St >> > > > >Steelton PA 17113 >> > > > >fax...717-564-4952 >> > > > >www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >> > > > > >> > > > >----- Original Message ----- >> > > > >From: "Mark Wentowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > >To: "ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > >Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:45 PM >> > > > >Subject: RE: [Techs] WHO DONE IT!!!!! >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >Jeff, I know firsthand how much money can be >> lost when a business >> gets a >> > > > >virus in the system. I use Norton and get >> automatic daily updates. On >> Friday >> > > > >nights Norton does a complete virus scan of >> all the drives. Am I >> doing >> > > > >enough? If a computer does get infected but >> Norton says they are >> clean how >> > > > >can we find out about it? >> > > > > >> > > > >Mark Wentowski >> > > > >Perry Hill Electronics >> > > > >3836 Harrison Rd. >> > > > >Montgomery AL 36109 >> > > > >phone: (334)279-5622 >> > > > >fax: (334)273-9050 >> > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > > >> > > > >-----Original Message----- >> TTE> === message truncated === TTE> __________________________________ TTE> Do you Yahoo!? TTE> Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! TTE> http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ TTE> _______________________________________________ TTE> Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of TTE> updates free. 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