You said by the inch too! *ROTFLMAO* They at first thought Ed was a suspect in that rape thing in PA-NY, but they let him go. Prosecutor said that "you can't shoot pool with a rope".

Doug Keller
Wis-Kel Electronics
101 Freeland Ave.
Terra Alta, WV
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LeRoy Westlund wrote:

I thought I said FREE estimates. (NOT 75 cents).
;-O

LLW

LeRoy Westlund
Westlund TV & Electronics
97 North Main                                "Where there's a will,...
Centerfield, UT 84622-0087           There's always a way."
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-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Techs] Re: Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800, no video..(was
verticalproblem)




Hey Ed, one of Leroys estimates would only set you back about 75 cents!
*ROTFLMAO*

Doug Keller
Wis-Kel Electronics
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Terra Alta, WV
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LeRoy Westlund wrote:



Hi Mark, and fellow techs.
I just put FREE ESTIMATES back up on my outside sign,...and I don't want
anybody to give me any sh*t about it. I've tried it BOTH ways, and I don't
want to drive anymore of my customers to Wal-Mart any sooner then I have


to.


A FREE estimate is just THAT,...if they want a more precise
diagnosis,...then they will still have to pay $1 per inch for the size of
the screen. $20 for 19", $25 for 25-27", and $35 for 32-40". $50-100 for
PTVs.
I will also require the remote control to be brought in, to qualify for


the


FREE estimate.
Cause I plan to repair, and sell them as used sets, and nobody wants to


buy


a used TV with out a remote control. I plan to sell them for 1/2 the price
that Wal-Mart charges for a new one. After all, the junk they sell is not
any better then a good used TV, that has been reconditioned properly. Of
course,...that has to be part of my sales pitch.
I will have to convence them of that.
In cases where the set is obviously a junker, I won't even accept it to
start with. I will give them an unreasonably high estimate, to discourage
them from even leaving it at my facility. My plan is to get some of the
BEST, repairable sets, before they junk them to buy new. I am certain that
there are TOO many 25-35 inch sets, that are being junked, that could be
fixed and sold at a profet. I am doing  this because I am desperate. If I
had many customers like the good ole days,...I would be more picky, but,
things are getting scary around here. Dead, dead,...and more dead each day
that passes. Hope things are better for you guys in your resective areas.
You might say,...that I am making a final stab at it. Beat Wally World at
their own game, and undercut them by 50%. HO, ho,.HA, ha, HE, he,.....
;-)

LLW

LeRoy Westlund
Westlund TV & Electronics
97 North Main                                "Where there's a will,...
Centerfield, UT 84622-0087           There's always a way."
Ph./Fax  435-528-3822
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Wentowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Techs] Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800,no video..(was
verticalprblm)






Jeff's a damned good tech Leroy. Nobody ever doubted that.

What's going on in Utah. Fun fun fun

Mark Wentowski
Perry Hill Electronics
3836 Harrison Rd.
Montgomery AL 36109
phone: (334)279-5622
fax:   (334)273-9050
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LeRoy Westlund
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:21 AM
To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST
Subject: Re: [Techs] Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800,no video..(was
verticalprblm)


Well,....I'll be damned ! I wish I hadn't thrown mine away already. Jeff,...you are a better tech then me. Congradulations. ;-(

LLW

LeRoy Westlund
Westlund TV & Electronics
97 North Main                                "Where there's a will,...
Centerfield, UT 84622-0087           There's always a way."
Ph./Fax  435-528-3822
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-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Techs] Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800, no video..(was
verticalprblm)






Don't applaud,..........throw money!!!

Doug Keller
Wis-Kel Electronics
101 Freeland Ave.
Terra Alta, WV
USA        26764
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Intrepid Video Support wrote:





Persistence pays off again...
After spending a lot of time in the vertical section, I came to the




conclusion my final fault was not in




this circuit. It was confusing since removing the vertical connector


for




the yoke, I got a horizontal




line..
In my checks of IC271, I found my voltage low on pin 18(s/b 5.1v).




Lifting




the pin and the voltage came




up.
On connector J251, I had 1K ohms resistance pin 5 to ground, unsoldered




and isolated problem to CRT board




as other techs had suggested. I thought I ruled the CRT board out as




shows




video on the scope on each IC




and injected video and the screen lit up.
Tracing the path back I found the final two video out IC's(that I did n


ot




replace in the beginning)




actually had pins 5 shorted to ground, lifted to confirm that pins 4,5




were shorted.




Replaced IC's and screen lit up, though decreased vertical...I put the




original EEPROM back in set and




picture was perfect.
I appreciate everyone that sent schematics and offered their help. I




couldn't have completed this task




without the help from this list..
Thank you.

Jeff Dougherty
Intrepid Video TV/VCR
263 S Front St
Steelton PA 17113
fax...717-564-4952
www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Intrepid Video Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:04 PM
Subject: [Techs] 2nd REQ... TA...NAP HD2717C101 27B800,no video..(was




vertical prblm)




Going with a fresh post on this one. I still can't find the problem.
First thing, I found the resistors and diodes for the 13 (-/+) lines


bad,




replaced those and shorted




vertical IC.
Then, I had raster that was red with retrace, found the RED video IC


bad




on CRT board. Also, R50




open..replaced, then back to no video.
I've tried three more vertical out IC's all OEM and NTE, still no


video.




With the NTE in, I get some video




very top of screen about 1/4 inch across.
On IC271, 46/47, voltages were about a volt low and wave forms were low




p-p, replaced IC..no fix.




Wave forms in/out of SAW filter are OK.
On pin 1 over vertical yoke, which comes from pin 5 of vertical wave


form




shows about 50 vpp, very high.




Pin 6,7 of vertical show low pp voltage.
I've went over and over my traces solder, replace the resistors and


diode




with OEM numbers, went over the




CRT board again.
If I remove the vertical plug, I do get a horizontal line and the power




LED flashes. I checked the yoke




and it is about 1 ohm off from one on another set.
I have the schematic of this section, but am not sure what is causing




these wave forms to vary.




I put in another Philips IC and the wave forms are even farther off.
Any other ideas before I scrap this set...I've done many of these B8


for




the same problem and have never




had this type of trouble,
Thank you.

Jeff Dougherty


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