Thanks for clearing that up for me. I guess I'm a lttle dense. Better take this discussion off of the PROFESSIONAL list now, before it gets out of control. ;-)
LLW LeRoy Westlund Westlund TV & Electronics 97 North Main "Where there's a will,... Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 There's always a way." Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Doug Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, April 03, 2004 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [Techs] Re: Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800,no video..(was verticalproblem) >You said by the inch too! *ROTFLMAO* They at first thought Ed was a >suspect in that rape thing in PA-NY, but they let him go. Prosecutor >said that "you can't shoot pool with a rope". > >Doug Keller >Wis-Kel Electronics >101 Freeland Ave. >Terra Alta, WV >USA 26764 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.tech-assist.org >"Learn from the mistakes of others, because you >won't live long enough to make them all yourself" > > > > > >LeRoy Westlund wrote: > >>I thought I said FREE estimates. (NOT 75 cents). >>;-O >> >>LLW >> >>LeRoy Westlund >>Westlund TV & Electronics >>97 North Main "Where there's a will,... >>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 There's always a way." >>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 >>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Doug Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Date: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:21 AM >>Subject: Re: [Techs] Re: Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800, no video..(was >>verticalproblem) >> >> >> >> >>>Hey Ed, one of Leroys estimates would only set you back about 75 cents! >>>*ROTFLMAO* >>> >>>Doug Keller >>>Wis-Kel Electronics >>>101 Freeland Ave. >>>Terra Alta, WV >>>USA 26764 >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>http://www.tech-assist.org >>>"Learn from the mistakes of others, because you >>>won't live long enough to make them all yourself" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>LeRoy Westlund wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi Mark, and fellow techs. >>>>I just put FREE ESTIMATES back up on my outside sign,...and I don't want >>>>anybody to give me any sh*t about it. I've tried it BOTH ways, and I don't >>>>want to drive anymore of my customers to Wal-Mart any sooner then I have >>>> >>>> >>to. >> >> >>>>A FREE estimate is just THAT,...if they want a more precise >>>>diagnosis,...then they will still have to pay $1 per inch for the size of >>>>the screen. $20 for 19", $25 for 25-27", and $35 for 32-40". $50-100 for >>>>PTVs. >>>>I will also require the remote control to be brought in, to qualify for >>>> >>>> >>the >> >> >>>>FREE estimate. >>>>Cause I plan to repair, and sell them as used sets, and nobody wants to >>>> >>>> >>buy >> >> >>>>a used TV with out a remote control. I plan to sell them for 1/2 the price >>>>that Wal-Mart charges for a new one. After all, the junk they sell is not >>>>any better then a good used TV, that has been reconditioned properly. Of >>>>course,...that has to be part of my sales pitch. >>>>I will have to convence them of that. >>>>In cases where the set is obviously a junker, I won't even accept it to >>>>start with. I will give them an unreasonably high estimate, to discourage >>>>them from even leaving it at my facility. My plan is to get some of the >>>>BEST, repairable sets, before they junk them to buy new. I am certain that >>>>there are TOO many 25-35 inch sets, that are being junked, that could be >>>>fixed and sold at a profet. I am doing this because I am desperate. If I >>>>had many customers like the good ole days,...I would be more picky, but, >>>>things are getting scary around here. Dead, dead,...and more dead each day >>>>that passes. Hope things are better for you guys in your resective areas. >>>>You might say,...that I am making a final stab at it. Beat Wally World at >>>>their own game, and undercut them by 50%. HO, ho,.HA, ha, HE, he,..... >>>>;-) >>>> >>>>LLW >>>> >>>>LeRoy Westlund >>>>Westlund TV & Electronics >>>>97 North Main "Where there's a will,... >>>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 There's always a way." >>>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 >>>>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Mark Wentowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>Date: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:57 PM >>>>Subject: RE: [Techs] Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800,no video..(was >>>>verticalprblm) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Jeff's a damned good tech Leroy. Nobody ever doubted that. >>>>> >>>>>What's going on in Utah. Fun fun fun >>>>> >>>>>Mark Wentowski >>>>>Perry Hill Electronics >>>>>3836 Harrison Rd. >>>>>Montgomery AL 36109 >>>>>phone: (334)279-5622 >>>>>fax: (334)273-9050 >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LeRoy Westlund >>>>>Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:21 AM >>>>>To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST >>>>>Subject: Re: [Techs] Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800,no video..(was >>>>>verticalprblm) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Well,....I'll be damned ! >>>>>I wish I hadn't thrown mine away already. >>>>>Jeff,...you are a better tech then me. >>>>>Congradulations. >>>>>;-( >>>>> >>>>>LLW >>>>> >>>>>LeRoy Westlund >>>>>Westlund TV & Electronics >>>>>97 North Main "Where there's a will,... >>>>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 There's always a way." >>>>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 >>>>>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Doug Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>Date: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:11 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [Techs] Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800, no video..(was >>>>>verticalprblm) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Don't applaud,..........throw money!!! >>>>>> >>>>>>Doug Keller >>>>>>Wis-Kel Electronics >>>>>>101 Freeland Ave. >>>>>>Terra Alta, WV >>>>>>USA 26764 >>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>http://www.tech-assist.org >>>>>>"Learn from the mistakes of others, because you >>>>>>won't live long enough to make them all yourself" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Intrepid Video Support wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Persistence pays off again... >>>>>>>After spending a lot of time in the vertical section, I came to the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>conclusion my final fault was not in >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>this circuit. It was confusing since removing the vertical connector >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>for >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>the yoke, I got a horizontal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>line.. >>>>>>>In my checks of IC271, I found my voltage low on pin 18(s/b 5.1v). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>Lifting >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>the pin and the voltage came >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>up. >>>>>>>On connector J251, I had 1K ohms resistance pin 5 to ground, unsoldered >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>and isolated problem to CRT board >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>as other techs had suggested. I thought I ruled the CRT board out as >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>shows >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>video on the scope on each IC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>and injected video and the screen lit up. >>>>>>>Tracing the path back I found the final two video out IC's(that I did n >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>ot >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>replace in the beginning) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>actually had pins 5 shorted to ground, lifted to confirm that pins 4,5 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>were shorted. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>Replaced IC's and screen lit up, though decreased vertical...I put the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>original EEPROM back in set and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>picture was perfect. >>>>>>>I appreciate everyone that sent schematics and offered their help. I >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>couldn't have completed this task >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>without the help from this list.. >>>>>>>Thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Jeff Dougherty >>>>>>>Intrepid Video TV/VCR >>>>>>>263 S Front St >>>>>>>Steelton PA 17113 >>>>>>>fax...717-564-4952 >>>>>>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: "Intrepid Video Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>To: "ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:04 PM >>>>>>>Subject: [Techs] 2nd REQ... TA...NAP HD2717C101 27B800,no video..(was >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>vertical prblm) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>Going with a fresh post on this one. I still can't find the problem. >>>>>>>First thing, I found the resistors and diodes for the 13 (-/+) lines >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>bad, >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>replaced those and shorted >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>vertical IC. >>>>>>>Then, I had raster that was red with retrace, found the RED video IC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>bad >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>on CRT board. Also, R50 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>open..replaced, then back to no video. >>>>>>>I've tried three more vertical out IC's all OEM and NTE, still no >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>video. >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>With the NTE in, I get some video >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>very top of screen about 1/4 inch across. >>>>>>>On IC271, 46/47, voltages were about a volt low and wave forms were low >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>p-p, replaced IC..no fix. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>Wave forms in/out of SAW filter are OK. >>>>>>>On pin 1 over vertical yoke, which comes from pin 5 of vertical wave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>form >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>shows about 50 vpp, very high. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>Pin 6,7 of vertical show low pp voltage. >>>>>>>I've went over and over my traces solder, replace the resistors and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>diode >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>with OEM numbers, went over the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>CRT board again. >>>>>>>If I remove the vertical plug, I do get a horizontal line and the power >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>LED flashes. I checked the yoke >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>and it is about 1 ohm off from one on another set. >>>>>>>I have the schematic of this section, but am not sure what is causing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>these wave forms to vary. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>I put in another Philips IC and the wave forms are even farther off. >>>>>>>Any other ideas before I scrap this set...I've done many of these B8 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>for >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>the same problem and have never >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>had this type of trouble, >>>>>>>Thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Jeff Dougherty >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>updates free. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >>>>>>>Techs mailing list >>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>updates >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>free. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >>>>>>Techs mailing list >>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of >>>>> >>>>> >>updates >> >> >>>>>free. >>>>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >>>>>Techs mailing list >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of >>>>> >>>>> >>updates >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>free. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >>>>>Techs mailing list >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of >>>> >>>> >>updates free. >> >> >>>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >>>>Techs mailing list >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of updates >>> >>> >>free. >> >> >>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >>>Techs mailing list >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of updates free. >>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >>Techs mailing list >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of updates free. >www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >Techs mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com > _______________________________________________ Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of updates free. www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net Techs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com
