HEY! I don't come over here very often because I thought this was a "professional" list.
Mark Wentowski Perry Hill Electronics 3836 Harrison Rd. Montgomery AL 36109 phone: (334)279-5622 fax: (334)273-9050 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Doug Keller Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:47 PM To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST Subject: Re: [Techs] Re: Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800,no video..(was verticalproblem) You said by the inch too! *ROTFLMAO* They at first thought Ed was a suspect in that rape thing in PA-NY, but they let him go. Prosecutor said that "you can't shoot pool with a rope". Doug Keller Wis-Kel Electronics 101 Freeland Ave. Terra Alta, WV USA 26764 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tech-assist.org "Learn from the mistakes of others, because you won't live long enough to make them all yourself" LeRoy Westlund wrote: >I thought I said FREE estimates. (NOT 75 cents). >;-O > >LLW > >LeRoy Westlund >Westlund TV & Electronics >97 North Main "Where there's a will,... >Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 There's always a way." >Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-----Original Message----- >From: Doug Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:21 AM >Subject: Re: [Techs] Re: Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800, no video..(was >verticalproblem) > > > > >>Hey Ed, one of Leroys estimates would only set you back about 75 cents! >>*ROTFLMAO* >> >>Doug Keller >>Wis-Kel Electronics >>101 Freeland Ave. >>Terra Alta, WV >>USA 26764 >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>http://www.tech-assist.org >>"Learn from the mistakes of others, because you >>won't live long enough to make them all yourself" >> >> >> >> >> >>LeRoy Westlund wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Mark, and fellow techs. >>>I just put FREE ESTIMATES back up on my outside sign,...and I don't want >>>anybody to give me any sh*t about it. I've tried it BOTH ways, and I don't >>>want to drive anymore of my customers to Wal-Mart any sooner then I have >>> >>> >to. > > >>>A FREE estimate is just THAT,...if they want a more precise >>>diagnosis,...then they will still have to pay $1 per inch for the size of >>>the screen. $20 for 19", $25 for 25-27", and $35 for 32-40". $50-100 for >>>PTVs. >>>I will also require the remote control to be brought in, to qualify for >>> >>> >the > > >>>FREE estimate. >>>Cause I plan to repair, and sell them as used sets, and nobody wants to >>> >>> >buy > > >>>a used TV with out a remote control. I plan to sell them for 1/2 the price >>>that Wal-Mart charges for a new one. After all, the junk they sell is not >>>any better then a good used TV, that has been reconditioned properly. Of >>>course,...that has to be part of my sales pitch. >>>I will have to convence them of that. >>>In cases where the set is obviously a junker, I won't even accept it to >>>start with. I will give them an unreasonably high estimate, to discourage >>>them from even leaving it at my facility. My plan is to get some of the >>>BEST, repairable sets, before they junk them to buy new. I am certain that >>>there are TOO many 25-35 inch sets, that are being junked, that could be >>>fixed and sold at a profet. I am doing this because I am desperate. If I >>>had many customers like the good ole days,...I would be more picky, but, >>>things are getting scary around here. Dead, dead,...and more dead each day >>>that passes. Hope things are better for you guys in your resective areas. >>>You might say,...that I am making a final stab at it. Beat Wally World at >>>their own game, and undercut them by 50%. HO, ho,.HA, ha, HE, he,..... >>>;-) >>> >>>LLW >>> >>>LeRoy Westlund >>>Westlund TV & Electronics >>>97 North Main "Where there's a will,... >>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 There's always a way." >>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 >>>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Mark Wentowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Date: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:57 PM >>>Subject: RE: [Techs] Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800,no video..(was >>>verticalprblm) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Jeff's a damned good tech Leroy. Nobody ever doubted that. >>>> >>>>What's going on in Utah. Fun fun fun >>>> >>>>Mark Wentowski >>>>Perry Hill Electronics >>>>3836 Harrison Rd. >>>>Montgomery AL 36109 >>>>phone: (334)279-5622 >>>>fax: (334)273-9050 >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LeRoy Westlund >>>>Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:21 AM >>>>To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST >>>>Subject: Re: [Techs] Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800,no video..(was >>>>verticalprblm) >>>> >>>> >>>>Well,....I'll be damned ! >>>>I wish I hadn't thrown mine away already. >>>>Jeff,...you are a better tech then me. >>>>Congradulations. >>>>;-( >>>> >>>>LLW >>>> >>>>LeRoy Westlund >>>>Westlund TV & Electronics >>>>97 North Main "Where there's a will,... >>>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 There's always a way." >>>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 >>>>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Doug Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>Date: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:11 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [Techs] Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800, no video..(was >>>>verticalprblm) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Don't applaud,..........throw money!!! >>>>> >>>>>Doug Keller >>>>>Wis-Kel Electronics >>>>>101 Freeland Ave. >>>>>Terra Alta, WV >>>>>USA 26764 >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>http://www.tech-assist.org >>>>>"Learn from the mistakes of others, because you >>>>>won't live long enough to make them all yourself" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Intrepid Video Support wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Persistence pays off again... >>>>>>After spending a lot of time in the vertical section, I came to the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>conclusion my final fault was not in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>this circuit. It was confusing since removing the vertical connector >>>>>> >>>>>> >for > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>the yoke, I got a horizontal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>line.. >>>>>>In my checks of IC271, I found my voltage low on pin 18(s/b 5.1v). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>Lifting >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>the pin and the voltage came >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>up. >>>>>>On connector J251, I had 1K ohms resistance pin 5 to ground, unsoldered >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>and isolated problem to CRT board >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>as other techs had suggested. I thought I ruled the CRT board out as >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>shows >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>video on the scope on each IC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>and injected video and the screen lit up. >>>>>>Tracing the path back I found the final two video out IC's(that I did n >>>>>> >>>>>> >ot > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>replace in the beginning) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>actually had pins 5 shorted to ground, lifted to confirm that pins 4,5 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>were shorted. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Replaced IC's and screen lit up, though decreased vertical...I put the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>original EEPROM back in set and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>picture was perfect. >>>>>>I appreciate everyone that sent schematics and offered their help. I >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>couldn't have completed this task >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>without the help from this list.. >>>>>>Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>>Jeff Dougherty >>>>>>Intrepid Video TV/VCR >>>>>>263 S Front St >>>>>>Steelton PA 17113 >>>>>>fax...717-564-4952 >>>>>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Intrepid Video Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>To: "ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:04 PM >>>>>>Subject: [Techs] 2nd REQ... TA...NAP HD2717C101 27B800,no video..(was >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>vertical prblm) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Going with a fresh post on this one. I still can't find the problem. >>>>>>First thing, I found the resistors and diodes for the 13 (-/+) lines >>>>>> >>>>>> >bad, > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>replaced those and shorted >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>vertical IC. >>>>>>Then, I had raster that was red with retrace, found the RED video IC >>>>>> >>>>>> >bad > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>on CRT board. Also, R50 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>open..replaced, then back to no video. >>>>>>I've tried three more vertical out IC's all OEM and NTE, still no >>>>>> >>>>>> >video. > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>With the NTE in, I get some video >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>very top of screen about 1/4 inch across. >>>>>>On IC271, 46/47, voltages were about a volt low and wave forms were low >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>p-p, replaced IC..no fix. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Wave forms in/out of SAW filter are OK. >>>>>>On pin 1 over vertical yoke, which comes from pin 5 of vertical wave >>>>>> >>>>>> >form > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>shows about 50 vpp, very high. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Pin 6,7 of vertical show low pp voltage. >>>>>>I've went over and over my traces solder, replace the resistors and >>>>>> >>>>>> >diode > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>with OEM numbers, went over the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>CRT board again. >>>>>>If I remove the vertical plug, I do get a horizontal line and the power >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>LED flashes. I checked the yoke >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>and it is about 1 ohm off from one on another set. >>>>>>I have the schematic of this section, but am not sure what is causing >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>these wave forms to vary. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>I put in another Philips IC and the wave forms are even farther off. >>>>>>Any other ideas before I scrap this set...I've done many of these B8 >>>>>> >>>>>> >for > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>the same problem and have never >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>had this type of trouble, >>>>>>Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>>Jeff Dougherty >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>updates free. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >>>>>>Techs mailing list >>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>updates >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>free. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >>>>>Techs mailing list >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of >>>> >>>> >updates > > >>>>free. >>>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >>>>Techs mailing list >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of >>>> >>>> >updates > > >>>> >>>> >>>free. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >>>>Techs mailing list >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of >>> >>> >updates free. > > >>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >>>Techs mailing list >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of updates >> >> >free. > > >>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >>Techs mailing list >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of updates free. >www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >Techs mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of updates free. www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net Techs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com _______________________________________________ Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of updates free. www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net Techs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com
