Just count your blessings. If I had that much to do,...I wouldn't have time to even set here and chat about it. That's why I quit Jeff's chat list for awhile. Now that I'm caught up, here I go again,....spending too much time on this damned "New fangled piece of puter junk". ;-)
Be back on chat on 15th of June,...like I promised ! BEWARE,...and PREPARE,....and,...BRACE YOURSELF ! LLW LeRoy Westlund Westlund TV & Electronics 97 North Main "Where there's a will,... Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 There's always a way." Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Eugene Spooner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Techs] LeRoy's demise...was...: Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800, no video..(was vertical problem) > Yup ! Sure do ! Like yours about Samsung putting it in >writing ! Been hearing so much 'nice things' about them. > BTW , took in two sets today ( $80 deposit ) , Cust picked >up repaired set ( $111.00 ) , another picked up no fix ( >refunded $20 ) , another wanted his repaired regardless >because "it fits" ( $154 ) , got OK on a MINIMUM of $600 on >a Pioneer , discussed two 19" sets to owners and one VCR and >a 13" TVCR. Finished a 27" Sony tuner resolder ( $130 ) and >a 31" Sanyo ( $130 ). Brought up a Customer to speed over >wanting a service call on a 27" Sanyo TV. Talked to a repeat >offender that pulled out the antenna inputs to two TVs and >may bring them in. Three more others I can't remember. Gee , >wish I had a day like this every day !!! >Best: Eugene > >Mark Wentowski wrote: >> >> You have a "bad attitude" Eugene. No doubt about it. >> >> Mark Wentowski >> Perry Hill Electronics >> 3836 Harrison Rd. >> Montgomery AL 36109 >> phone: (334)279-5622 >> fax: (334)273-9050 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eugene Spooner >> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 8:53 PM >> To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST >> Subject: Re: [Techs] LeRoy's demise...was...: Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 >> 27B800, no video..(was vertical problem) >> >> It is getting better all the time. I talk to them and they >> are going to know what they are in for and they appreciate >> that "Up Front" presentation. Those that had illusions have >> been brought up to speed and they appreciate that too. For >> those that say "Why so much ?" , I use chassis pieces ( >> examples ) lying around here and show them what is involved >> which satisfies a lot of them and most ( not all ) leaves it >> and the loot ! I used to keep a bare VCR deck to 'show' what >> is involved when the VCRs was a going deal. The more they >> "Question me" , the more I feel better as this is a real >> cash deal for real. I actually get nervous if they do not >> "Question me" ! Those that did not leave it first time >> around do , very often , come back with the item more suited >> for a practical repair. I do not tell them to "Scram" , I >> explain why all the time. >> Best: Eugene >> >> Mark Wentowski wrote: >> > >> > My customer's who get the coupons have already "proven" themselves by >> > leaving an estimate fee on another unit. These are the people we want to >> > come back and use our services. >> > >> > As I said. I think it was a great idea! It's the best of both worlds. It's >> > not a completely free estimate but at the same time it has value to the >> > customer and shows them that we appreciate their business. >> > >> > Heck Eugene, If I were a customer I wouldn't bring anything to you if you >> > behave towards your customers as you behave on these lists. >> > >> > Mark Wentowski >> > Perry Hill Electronics >> > 3836 Harrison Rd. >> > Montgomery AL 36109 >> > phone: (334)279-5622 >> > fax: (334)273-9050 >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eugene Spooner >> > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 3:59 PM >> > To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST >> > Subject: Re: [Techs] LeRoy's demise...was...: Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 >> > 27B800, no video..(was vertical problem) >> > >> > It is kinda like you say "Reasonable Expectations". The >> > set that gets past my door HAS got to have a deposit or it's >> > no deal at all and goes back out PDQ. >> > For me here and don't know what it is in your area ; it is >> > a "Legal" problem that when it is and legally got rid of it >> > requires either one of two things - Certified Mail for one >> > and wait 6 months is the other. So , if I am going to be >> > bound by that - I WANT SOME LOOT for it all. If I get rid of >> > it wrongfully ; I may end up paying $100.00 ( Law specifies >> > minimum value is $100.00 regardless ) for it plus Court >> > Costs ( $55.00 ) and I am not about to do $155.00 on a set >> > that won't bring me over $50 profits after all is said and >> > done. >> > Effectively for DV sets ; I charge a $20.00 estimate fee >> > for looking at it. I get $40.00 up front and if they do not >> > come back for the 'refund' of $20.00 ; I use it up to pay >> > for the Certified mail and disposal charges. Have started >> > doing this as to kill Two Birds with one stone. I use the >> > same Certified Mail to give notice of storage charges of >> > $2.00 per day beginning the Day after the mailing of this >> > Certified Mail. This came about because of a Peer of mine >> > had bitterly complained about the Postal Service taking 3 >> > MONTHS to deliver a certified mail on a Wide Screen. If he >> > had that 'storage charges' in the mailing ; would have >> > collected an additional $180.00 plus the repair bill of >> > $330.00 on a set that he can sell for $600-$700 easy enough. >> > Then the Owner can talk to the Postal Service about that.. >> > Owner came by and ... >> > As for the "Free Estimate" ; guess I do that and it is >> > while the Customer is here and I advise him what it might >> > cost and if he wants more specifics or OK's the repair >> > guesstimates ; I GET that deposit before I take one screw >> > out ! This is 'filtering' at the front to get rid of >> > cheapskates or they are 'not serious'. This has been the >> > sorest point with me followed by "Long Time" to pick up. NLA >> > is next. >> > Best: Eugene >> > >> > Mark Wentowski wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi Leroy and Jeff. I couldn't agree more. But in our market area and >> > because >> > > of our overhead we do charge estimate fees but recently we've printed up >> > > some "free estimate" coupons. When a customer returns to pick up an >> > > unrepaired unit we give them a coupon. It is transferable so they can >> > share >> > > it with their family or friends. So far it has worked out well and >> people >> > > aren't as likely to think that they've been ripped off. >> > > I thought it was a great idea. >> > > >> > > Mark Wentowski >> > > Perry Hill Electronics >> > > 3836 Harrison Rd. >> > > Montgomery AL 36109 >> > > phone: (334)279-5622 >> > > fax: (334)273-9050 >> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Intrepid Video >> > > Support >> > > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:50 PM >> > > To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST >> > > Subject: Re: [Techs] LeRoy's demise...was...: Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 >> > > 27B800,no video..(was vertical problem) >> > > >> > > LeRoy, >> > > More power to you. No one has any business telling you how to run your >> > > business and it annoys me when >> > > other techs tell you NOT to give free estimates, to charge more, etc... >> > > Some of us have to use some creative selling techniques to bring in more >> > > business. >> > > I some times spend 15 minutes encouraging a customer to leave their set. >> > > When you have nothing to >> > > repair..you appreciate the ones that will leave their set and agree to a >> > > reasonable repair bill. >> > > >> > > Jeff Dougherty >> > > Intrepid Video TV/VCR >> > > 263 S Front St >> > > Steelton PA 17113 >> > > fax...717-564-4952 >> > > www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "LeRoy Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > To: "ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 11:54 AM >> > > Subject: [Techs] Re: Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800,no video..(was >> vertical >> > > problem) >> > > >> > > Hi Mark, and fellow techs. >> > > I just put FREE ESTIMATES back up on my outside sign,...and I don't want >> > > anybody to give me any sh*t about it. I've tried it BOTH ways, and I >> don't >> > > want to drive anymore of my customers to Wal-Mart any sooner then I have >> > to. >> > > A FREE estimate is just THAT,...if they want a more precise >> > > diagnosis,...then they will still have to pay $1 per inch for the size >> of >> > > the screen. $20 for 19", $25 for 25-27", and $35 for 32-40". $50-100 for >> > > PTVs. >> > > I will also require the remote control to be brought in, to qualify for >> > the >> > > FREE estimate. >> > > Cause I plan to repair, and sell them as used sets, and nobody wants to >> > buy >> > > a used TV with out a remote control. I plan to sell them for 1/2 the >> price >> > > that Wal-Mart charges for a new one. After all, the junk they sell is >> not >> > > any better then a good used TV, that has been reconditioned properly. Of >> > > course,...that has to be part of my sales pitch. >> > > I will have to convence them of that. >> > > In cases where the set is obviously a junker, I won't even accept it to >> > > start with. I will give them an unreasonably high estimate, to >> discourage >> > > them from even leaving it at my facility. My plan is to get some of the >> > > BEST, repairable sets, before they junk them to buy new. I am certain >> that >> > > there are TOO many 25-35 inch sets, that are being junked, that could be >> > > fixed and sold at a profet. I am doing this because I am desperate. If >> I >> > > had many customers like the good ole days,...I would be more picky, but, >> > > things are getting scary around here. Dead, dead,...and more dead each >> day >> > > that passes. Hope things are better for you guys in your resective >> areas. >> > > You might say,...that I am making a final stab at it. Beat Wally World >> at >> > > their own game, and undercut them by 50%. HO, ho,.HA, ha, HE, he,..... >> > > ;-) >> > > >> > > LLW >> > > >> > > LeRoy Westlund >> > > Westlund TV & Electronics >> > > 97 North Main "Where there's a will,... >> > > Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 There's always a way." >> > > Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 >> > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Mark Wentowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > Date: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:57 PM >> > > Subject: RE: [Techs] Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800,no video..(was >> > > verticalprblm) >> > > >> > > >Jeff's a damned good tech Leroy. Nobody ever doubted that. >> > > > >> > > >What's going on in Utah. Fun fun fun >> > > > >> > > >Mark Wentowski >> > > >Perry Hill Electronics >> > > >3836 Harrison Rd. >> > > >Montgomery AL 36109 >> > > >phone: (334)279-5622 >> > > >fax: (334)273-9050 >> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > >> > > >-----Original Message----- >> > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LeRoy Westlund >> > > >Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:21 AM >> > > >To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST >> > > >Subject: Re: [Techs] Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800,no video..(was >> > > >verticalprblm) >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >Well,....I'll be damned ! >> > > >I wish I hadn't thrown mine away already. >> > > >Jeff,...you are a better tech then me. >> > > >Congradulations. >> > > >;-( >> > > > >> > > >LLW >> > > > >> > > >LeRoy Westlund >> > > >Westlund TV & Electronics >> > > >97 North Main "Where there's a will,... >> > > >Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 There's always a way." >> > > >Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 >> > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > >> > > >-----Original Message----- >> > > >From: Doug Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > >To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > >Date: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:11 AM >> > > >Subject: Re: [Techs] Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 27B800, no video..(was >> > > >verticalprblm) >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >>Don't applaud,..........throw money!!! >> > > >> >> > > >>Doug Keller >> > > >>Wis-Kel Electronics >> > > >>101 Freeland Ave. >> > > >>Terra Alta, WV >> > > >>USA 26764 >> > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > >>http://www.tech-assist.org >> > > >>"Learn from the mistakes of others, because you >> > > >>won't live long enough to make them all yourself" >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >>Intrepid Video Support wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >>>Persistence pays off again... >> > > >>>After spending a lot of time in the vertical section, I came to the >> > > >conclusion my final fault was not in >> > > >>>this circuit. It was confusing since removing the vertical connector >> > for >> > > >the yoke, I got a horizontal >> > > >>>line.. >> > > >>>In my checks of IC271, I found my voltage low on pin 18(s/b 5.1v). >> > > Lifting >> > > >the pin and the voltage came >> > > >>>up. >> > > >>>On connector J251, I had 1K ohms resistance pin 5 to ground, >> unsoldered >> > > >and isolated problem to CRT board >> > > >>>as other techs had suggested. I thought I ruled the CRT board out as >> > > shows >> > > >video on the scope on each IC >> > > >>>and injected video and the screen lit up. >> > > >>>Tracing the path back I found the final two video out IC's(that I did >> > not >> > > >replace in the beginning) >> > > >>>actually had pins 5 shorted to ground, lifted to confirm that pins >> 4,5 >> > > >were shorted. >> > > >>>Replaced IC's and screen lit up, though decreased vertical...I put >> the >> > > >original EEPROM back in set and >> > > >>>picture was perfect. >> > > >>>I appreciate everyone that sent schematics and offered their help. I >> > > >couldn't have completed this task >> > > >>>without the help from this list.. >> > > >>>Thank you. >> > > >>> >> > > >>>Jeff Dougherty >> > > >>>Intrepid Video TV/VCR >> > > >>>263 S Front St >> > > >>>Steelton PA 17113 >> > > >>>fax...717-564-4952 >> > > >>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >> > > >>> >> > > >>>----- Original Message ----- >> > > >>>From: "Intrepid Video Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > >>>To: "ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:04 PM >> > > >>>Subject: [Techs] 2nd REQ... TA...NAP HD2717C101 27B800,no video..(was >> > > >vertical prblm) >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>>Going with a fresh post on this one. I still can't find the problem. >> > > >>>First thing, I found the resistors and diodes for the 13 (-/+) lines >> > bad, >> > > >replaced those and shorted >> > > >>>vertical IC. >> > > >>>Then, I had raster that was red with retrace, found the RED video IC >> > bad >> > > >on CRT board. Also, R50 >> > > >>>open..replaced, then back to no video. >> > > >>>I've tried three more vertical out IC's all OEM and NTE, still no >> > video. >> > > >With the NTE in, I get some video >> > > >>>very top of screen about 1/4 inch across. >> > > >>>On IC271, 46/47, voltages were about a volt low and wave forms were >> low >> > > >p-p, replaced IC..no fix. >> > > >>>Wave forms in/out of SAW filter are OK. >> > > >>>On pin 1 over vertical yoke, which comes from pin 5 of vertical wave >> > form >> > > >shows about 50 vpp, very high. >> > > >>>Pin 6,7 of vertical show low pp voltage. >> > > >>>I've went over and over my traces solder, replace the resistors and >> > diode >> > > >> > > >with OEM numbers, went over the >> > > >>>CRT board again. >> > > >>>If I remove the vertical plug, I do get a horizontal line and the >> power >> > > >LED flashes. I checked the yoke >> > > >>>and it is about 1 ohm off from one on another set. >> > > >>>I have the schematic of this section, but am not sure what is causing >> > > >these wave forms to vary. >> > > >>>I put in another Philips IC and the wave forms are even farther off. >> > > >>>Any other ideas before I scrap this set...I've done many of these B8 >> > for >> > > >the same problem and have never >> > > >>>had this type of trouble, >> > > >>>Thank you. >> > > >>> >> > > >>>Jeff Dougherty >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>>_______________________________________________ >> > > >>>Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus shipping...One year of >> > > >updates free. >> > > >>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >> > > >>>Techs mailing list >> > > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > >>>http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > > >>_______________________________________________ >> > > >>Tech 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