Nah, I'll reply to the next person who brings it up again.
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:31 AM, ellie :) <[email protected]> wrote: > I am happy to post the comment if you prefer not to. > > On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >> Good night >> >> >> >> On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:38 AM, "ellie :)" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Ttyl. Sleep time >>> >>> On 12/15/09, ellie :) <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Im sure we can come to an easy agreement at the meeting. The sentence >>>> I sent you to forward is very broad and we can add details to the >>>> actuall motion as the meeting day approaches. Just dont add or >>>> subtract from what I recommended for you to post. You could add... >>>> "Silence is consent." That would be a nice touch >>>> >>>> On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> have you had this discussion with anyone else? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:20 AM, ellie :) <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Yes. Ive been sick for 4 days- ive been thinking a lot. Wish I had >>>>>> been in bed the whole time, no luck though >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Really think we should put that over Cavetex? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:14 AM, ellie :) >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> So, copy and paste this following message and forward it to >>>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>>> related posts: >>>>>>>> I motion to table this discussion and refer it to the Free >>>>>>>> Texas Caver >>>>>>>> committee to be discussed at the January 10th TSA meeting where >>>>>>>> registered members present can vote for a majority. >>>>>>>> Include meeting location details if desired. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Sure, do you think we should bring up the 2 tier membership to >>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>> hand >>>>>>>>> in hand with this? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I dont' know what the costs should be, but people who want a >>>>>>>>> hard >>>>>>>>> cover should have to pay for that privilege :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:57 PM, ellie :) <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Yes, many geek friends w/ technological skills. >>>>>>>>>> Will you be the Free Texas Caver committee chair? We can >>>>>>>>>> table the >>>>>>>>>> Texas Caver conversation now and you can bring it up for >>>>>>>>>> debate at >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Jan meeting. At the Jan meeting, you will obtain the floor >>>>>>>>>> and make >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> motion to the TSA chair. He will then accept/reject and then >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> registered members present will vote and the majority wins. >>>>>>>>>> Sounds >>>>>>>>>> fun >>>>>>>>>> and simple, right? You in? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I'm somewhat familiar with RRO, read through it years ago. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Isn't that why you have geek friends? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:13 PM, ellie :) <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I majored in Business. I will forward you a script for the >>>>>>>>>>>> January >>>>>>>>>>>> business meeting- Roberts Rule of Order, its simple. Im >>>>>>>>>>>> embarrassed >>>>>>>>>>>> that I thought black meant red. I suck w/ computers. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just thoughts rambling through my head, never sat down and >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>> down >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, went to A&M for a few years for comp sci and switched >>>>>>>>>>>>> to an >>>>>>>>>>>>> aeronautical school to get my pilot's license. Am back in >>>>>>>>>>>>> computers >>>>>>>>>>>>> tho, LOL >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:10 PM, ellie :) >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Free thinker! Did you go to a liberal arts school? I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lay >>>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple, organized way to bring this issue up at the next >>>>>>>>>>>>>> meeting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have thought it through but will not propose it myself. You >>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have material prepared as well >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not condoning of getting rid of the membership fees, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think a few may quit paying if they can get the TC for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it will bring in more members in the long run. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The information should be free. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:07 PM, ellie :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didnt know you felt this way and thought as a TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support having a small income for the organization. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give Gill my prize of a 2010 membership but in no way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be no membership fees. I am glad he has someone to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> market >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him though(you)-i wont >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gil, I seem to remember you making that statement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or so, about the $100 donation. I also seem to remark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, and I'll stand by it. I'll donate $100 as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Gill Edigar <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John P. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooks <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to save the TSA from financial ruin....I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitment? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger will renew his lapsed TSA membership and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> donate $100 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within seconds of The TEXAS CAVER being made a free >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publication >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caver >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who wants to sign up for a free subscription. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subscribing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be solicited to join TSA but membership should >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for receiving all the good caving information aimed at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bettering >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of caving in Texas. As a caver and TSA member I, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every caver in Texas to be reading TSA promotional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> material, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information, articles about equipment and techniques, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cave >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> science, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upcoming >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> events which they can support by attending, trip and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cave >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reports, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participating personally by attending TSA conventions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> articles to The TEXAS CAVER themselves, all of which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am selfish. I want all of these non-TSA members to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TEXAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAVER >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I will benefit from them being more informed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not have to be TSA members to be better cavers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers, and well qualified and participating members >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community, if they simply read and contribute to The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TEXAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAVER. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participation is good for me, it is good for you, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caving. That is probably the most valuable service >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers and caving in Texas--keeping EVERYONE informed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better participant in Texas caving. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I coined a phrase in 1969, "As The TEXAS CAVER goes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so goes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TSA." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think that is still true today. If The TEXAS CAVER is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas cavers digitally and free then we will see a much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group of Texas cavers taking the bait to become >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helping it reach it's selfish aims and purposes--a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> major >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promoting Texas caving--for ALL of us, not just the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finally come, my fellow Texas cavers, to do something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selves. It costs the TSA nothing to give The TEXAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAVER >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digitally. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> costs the TSA and Texas caving a lot not to. If you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish for yourself and for all the other Texas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers vote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earliest opportunity to separate The CAVER from TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> membership, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to any digital subscriber. Otherwise, we're just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preaching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choir. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yours in Texas caving (for nearly 43 years now), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John P. Brooks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to save the TSA from financial ruin....I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitment? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09 1:14 PM, "[email protected]" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome back, Karen! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if we could only get Ediger to rejoin! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >
