Really think we should put that over Cavetex?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:14 AM, ellie :) <[email protected]> wrote: > So, copy and paste this following message and forward it to whatever > related posts: > I motion to table this discussion and refer it to the Free Texas Caver > committee to be discussed at the January 10th TSA meeting where > registered members present can vote for a majority. > Include meeting location details if desired. > > On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >> Sure, do you think we should bring up the 2 tier membership to go hand >> in hand with this? >> >> I dont' know what the costs should be, but people who want a hard >> cover should have to pay for that privilege :) >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:57 PM, ellie :) <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Yes, many geek friends w/ technological skills. >>> Will you be the Free Texas Caver committee chair? We can table the >>> Texas Caver conversation now and you can bring it up for debate at the >>> Jan meeting. At the Jan meeting, you will obtain the floor and make a >>> motion to the TSA chair. He will then accept/reject and then the >>> registered members present will vote and the majority wins. Sounds fun >>> and simple, right? You in? >>> >>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I'm somewhat familiar with RRO, read through it years ago. >>>> >>>> Isn't that why you have geek friends? >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:13 PM, ellie :) <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> I majored in Business. I will forward you a script for the January >>>>> business meeting- Roberts Rule of Order, its simple. Im embarrassed >>>>> that I thought black meant red. I suck w/ computers. >>>>> >>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Just thoughts rambling through my head, never sat down and wrote down >>>>>> the >>>>>> ideas. >>>>>> >>>>>> No, went to A&M for a few years for comp sci and switched to an >>>>>> aeronautical school to get my pilot's license. Am back in computers >>>>>> tho, LOL >>>>>> >>>>>> :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:10 PM, ellie :) <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Free thinker! Did you go to a liberal arts school? I will lay out a >>>>>>> simple, organized way to bring this issue up at the next meeting. I >>>>>>> have thought it through but will not propose it myself. You probably >>>>>>> have material prepared as well >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> I'm not condoning of getting rid of the membership fees, and while I >>>>>>>> think a few may quit paying if they can get the TC for free, I think >>>>>>>> that it will bring in more members in the long run. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The information should be free. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:07 PM, ellie :) <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I didnt know you felt this way and thought as a TSA member, you >>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> support having a small income for the organization. I will offer to >>>>>>>>> give Gill my prize of a 2010 membership but in no way think that >>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>> should be no membership fees. I am glad he has someone to market for >>>>>>>>> him though(you)-i wont >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Gil, I seem to remember you making that statement within the last >>>>>>>>>> year >>>>>>>>>> or so, about the $100 donation. I also seem to remark about >>>>>>>>>> matching >>>>>>>>>> that, and I'll stand by it. I'll donate $100 as well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Gill Edigar <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John P. >>>>>>>>>>> Brooks <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I want to save the TSA from financial ruin....I will go digital >>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>> renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make that >>>>>>>>>>>> commitment? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ediger will renew his lapsed TSA membership and donate $100 to the >>>>>>>>>>> TSA >>>>>>>>>>> within seconds of The TEXAS CAVER being made a free publication to >>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>> caver >>>>>>>>>>> who wants to sign up for a free subscription. Subscribing non-TSA >>>>>>>>>>> members >>>>>>>>>>> should be solicited to join TSA but membership should not be a >>>>>>>>>>> requirement >>>>>>>>>>> for receiving all the good caving information aimed at bettering >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> cause >>>>>>>>>>> of caving in Texas. As a caver and TSA member I, personally, would >>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>> every caver in Texas to be reading TSA promotional material, >>>>>>>>>>> safety >>>>>>>>>>> information, articles about equipment and techniques, cave >>>>>>>>>>> science, >>>>>>>>>>> upcoming >>>>>>>>>>> events which they can support by attending, trip and cave reports, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> participating personally by attending TSA conventions and >>>>>>>>>>> contributing >>>>>>>>>>> articles to The TEXAS CAVER themselves, all of which will also >>>>>>>>>>> benefit >>>>>>>>>>> ME. >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> am selfish. I want all of these non-TSA members to read The TEXAS >>>>>>>>>>> CAVER >>>>>>>>>>> because I will benefit from them being more informed and better >>>>>>>>>>> cavers. >>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>> do not have to be TSA members to be better cavers. But they can be >>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>> cavers, and well qualified and participating members of the Texas >>>>>>>>>>> caving >>>>>>>>>>> community, if they simply read and contribute to The TEXAS CAVER. >>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>> participation is good for me, it is good for you, and it is good >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> Texas >>>>>>>>>>> caving. That is probably the most valuable service the TSA can >>>>>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> cavers and caving in Texas--keeping EVERYONE informed so they can >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> better participant in Texas caving. >>>>>>>>>>> I coined a phrase in 1969, "As The TEXAS CAVER goes, so goes the >>>>>>>>>>> TSA." >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> think that is still true today. If The TEXAS CAVER is made >>>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>> Texas cavers digitally and free then we will see a much better >>>>>>>>>>> informed >>>>>>>>>>> group of Texas cavers taking the bait to become members of the TSA >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> helping it reach it's selfish aims and purposes--a major part of >>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> promoting Texas caving--for ALL of us, not just the few. The time >>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> finally come, my fellow Texas cavers, to do something for our >>>>>>>>>>> selfish >>>>>>>>>>> selves. It costs the TSA nothing to give The TEXAS CAVER away >>>>>>>>>>> digitally. >>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>> costs the TSA and Texas caving a lot not to. If you want to do >>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>>> selfish for yourself and for all the other Texas cavers vote at >>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>> earliest opportunity to separate The CAVER from TSA membership, to >>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> free to any digital subscriber. Otherwise, we're just preaching >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> choir. >>>>>>>>>>> Yours in Texas caving (for nearly 43 years now), >>>>>>>>>>> --Ediger >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John P. Brooks >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I want to save the TSA from financial ruin....I will go digital >>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>> renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make that >>>>>>>>>>>> commitment? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09 1:14 PM, "[email protected]" >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome back, Karen! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if we could only get Ediger to rejoin! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
