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On 12/15/09, ellie :) <[email protected]> wrote: > Im sure we can come to an easy agreement at the meeting. The sentence > I sent you to forward is very broad and we can add details to the > actuall motion as the meeting day approaches. Just dont add or > subtract from what I recommended for you to post. You could add... > "Silence is consent." That would be a nice touch > > On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >> have you had this discussion with anyone else? >> >> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:20 AM, ellie :) <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> Yes. Ive been sick for 4 days- ive been thinking a lot. Wish I had >>> been in bed the whole time, no luck though >>> >>> On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Really think we should put that over Cavetex? >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:14 AM, ellie :) <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> So, copy and paste this following message and forward it to whatever >>>>> related posts: >>>>> I motion to table this discussion and refer it to the Free Texas Caver >>>>> committee to be discussed at the January 10th TSA meeting where >>>>> registered members present can vote for a majority. >>>>> Include meeting location details if desired. >>>>> >>>>> On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Sure, do you think we should bring up the 2 tier membership to go >>>>>> hand >>>>>> in hand with this? >>>>>> >>>>>> I dont' know what the costs should be, but people who want a hard >>>>>> cover should have to pay for that privilege :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:57 PM, ellie :) <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Yes, many geek friends w/ technological skills. >>>>>>> Will you be the Free Texas Caver committee chair? We can table the >>>>>>> Texas Caver conversation now and you can bring it up for debate at >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Jan meeting. At the Jan meeting, you will obtain the floor and make >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> motion to the TSA chair. He will then accept/reject and then the >>>>>>> registered members present will vote and the majority wins. Sounds >>>>>>> fun >>>>>>> and simple, right? You in? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> I'm somewhat familiar with RRO, read through it years ago. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Isn't that why you have geek friends? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:13 PM, ellie :) <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I majored in Business. I will forward you a script for the January >>>>>>>>> business meeting- Roberts Rule of Order, its simple. Im >>>>>>>>> embarrassed >>>>>>>>> that I thought black meant red. I suck w/ computers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Just thoughts rambling through my head, never sat down and wrote >>>>>>>>>> down >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> ideas. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No, went to A&M for a few years for comp sci and switched to an >>>>>>>>>> aeronautical school to get my pilot's license. Am back in >>>>>>>>>> computers >>>>>>>>>> tho, LOL >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:10 PM, ellie :) >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Free thinker! Did you go to a liberal arts school? I will lay >>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> simple, organized way to bring this issue up at the next >>>>>>>>>>> meeting. >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> have thought it through but will not propose it myself. You >>>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>>> have material prepared as well >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not condoning of getting rid of the membership fees, and >>>>>>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> think a few may quit paying if they can get the TC for free, I >>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>> that it will bring in more members in the long run. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The information should be free. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:07 PM, ellie :) >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I didnt know you felt this way and thought as a TSA member, >>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>> support having a small income for the organization. I will >>>>>>>>>>>>> offer >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> give Gill my prize of a 2010 membership but in no way think >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>> should be no membership fees. I am glad he has someone to >>>>>>>>>>>>> market >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> him though(you)-i wont >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gil, I seem to remember you making that statement within the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> last >>>>>>>>>>>>>> year >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or so, about the $100 donation. I also seem to remark about >>>>>>>>>>>>>> matching >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, and I'll stand by it. I'll donate $100 as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Gill Edigar <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John P. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooks <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to save the TSA from financial ruin....I will go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitment? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger will renew his lapsed TSA membership and donate $100 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within seconds of The TEXAS CAVER being made a free >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publication >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caver >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who wants to sign up for a free subscription. Subscribing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be solicited to join TSA but membership should not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for receiving all the good caving information aimed at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bettering >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of caving in Texas. As a caver and TSA member I, personally, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every caver in Texas to be reading TSA promotional material, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information, articles about equipment and techniques, cave >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> science, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upcoming >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> events which they can support by attending, trip and cave >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reports, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participating personally by attending TSA conventions and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> articles to The TEXAS CAVER themselves, all of which will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am selfish. I want all of these non-TSA members to read The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TEXAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAVER >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I will benefit from them being more informed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not have to be TSA members to be better cavers. But they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers, and well qualified and participating members of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community, if they simply read and contribute to The TEXAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAVER. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participation is good for me, it is good for you, and it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caving. That is probably the most valuable service the TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers and caving in Texas--keeping EVERYONE informed so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better participant in Texas caving. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I coined a phrase in 1969, "As The TEXAS CAVER goes, so goes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TSA." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think that is still true today. If The TEXAS CAVER is made >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas cavers digitally and free then we will see a much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group of Texas cavers taking the bait to become members of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helping it reach it's selfish aims and purposes--a major >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promoting Texas caving--for ALL of us, not just the few. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finally come, my fellow Texas cavers, to do something for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selves. It costs the TSA nothing to give The TEXAS CAVER >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digitally. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> costs the TSA and Texas caving a lot not to. If you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish for yourself and for all the other Texas cavers vote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earliest opportunity to separate The CAVER from TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> membership, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to any digital subscriber. Otherwise, we're just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preaching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choir. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yours in Texas caving (for nearly 43 years now), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John P. Brooks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to save the TSA from financial ruin....I will go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitment? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09 1:14 PM, "[email protected]" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome back, Karen! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if we could only get Ediger to rejoin! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
