Thats not a way to be diplomatic. I was hoping to close the argument so I could announce that the Spring convention website and fees. I thought to delegate it to you since its your platform but I will bring it up myself, Mark asked me if I would do it.
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]>wrote: > Nah, I'll reply to the next person who brings it up again. > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:31 AM, ellie :) <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am happy to post the comment if you prefer not to. > > > > On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Good night > >> > >> > >> > >> On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:38 AM, "ellie :)" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> Ttyl. Sleep time > >>> > >>> On 12/15/09, ellie :) <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> Im sure we can come to an easy agreement at the meeting. The sentence > >>>> I sent you to forward is very broad and we can add details to the > >>>> actuall motion as the meeting day approaches. Just dont add or > >>>> subtract from what I recommended for you to post. You could add... > >>>> "Silence is consent." That would be a nice touch > >>>> > >>>> On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> have you had this discussion with anyone else? > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:20 AM, ellie :) <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> Yes. Ive been sick for 4 days- ive been thinking a lot. Wish I had > >>>>>> been in bed the whole time, no luck though > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> Really think we should put that over Cavetex? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:14 AM, ellie :) > >>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> So, copy and paste this following message and forward it to > >>>>>>>> whatever > >>>>>>>> related posts: > >>>>>>>> I motion to table this discussion and refer it to the Free > >>>>>>>> Texas Caver > >>>>>>>> committee to be discussed at the January 10th TSA meeting where > >>>>>>>> registered members present can vote for a majority. > >>>>>>>> Include meeting location details if desired. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Sure, do you think we should bring up the 2 tier membership to > >>>>>>>>> go > >>>>>>>>> hand > >>>>>>>>> in hand with this? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I dont' know what the costs should be, but people who want a > >>>>>>>>> hard > >>>>>>>>> cover should have to pay for that privilege :) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:57 PM, ellie :) < > [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Yes, many geek friends w/ technological skills. > >>>>>>>>>> Will you be the Free Texas Caver committee chair? We can > >>>>>>>>>> table the > >>>>>>>>>> Texas Caver conversation now and you can bring it up for > >>>>>>>>>> debate at > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> Jan meeting. At the Jan meeting, you will obtain the floor > >>>>>>>>>> and make > >>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>> motion to the TSA chair. He will then accept/reject and then > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> registered members present will vote and the majority wins. > >>>>>>>>>> Sounds > >>>>>>>>>> fun > >>>>>>>>>> and simple, right? You in? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> I'm somewhat familiar with RRO, read through it years ago. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Isn't that why you have geek friends? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:13 PM, ellie :) < > [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> I majored in Business. I will forward you a script for the > >>>>>>>>>>>> January > >>>>>>>>>>>> business meeting- Roberts Rule of Order, its simple. Im > >>>>>>>>>>>> embarrassed > >>>>>>>>>>>> that I thought black meant red. I suck w/ computers. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just thoughts rambling through my head, never sat down and > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote > >>>>>>>>>>>>> down > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, went to A&M for a few years for comp sci and switched > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to an > >>>>>>>>>>>>> aeronautical school to get my pilot's license. Am back in > >>>>>>>>>>>>> computers > >>>>>>>>>>>>> tho, LOL > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> :) > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:10 PM, ellie :) > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Free thinker! Did you go to a liberal arts school? I will > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lay > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> out > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple, organized way to bring this issue up at the next > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> meeting. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have thought it through but will not propose it myself. You > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have material prepared as well > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not condoning of getting rid of the membership fees, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think a few may quit paying if they can get the TC for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free, I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it will bring in more members in the long run. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The information should be free. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charles > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:07 PM, ellie :) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didnt know you felt this way and thought as a TSA > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support having a small income for the organization. I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offer > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give Gill my prize of a 2010 membership but in no way > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be no membership fees. I am glad he has someone to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> market > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him though(you)-i wont > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gil, I seem to remember you making that statement > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or so, about the $100 donation. I also seem to remark > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matching > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, and I'll stand by it. I'll donate $100 as well. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charles > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Gill Edigar < > [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John P. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooks <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to save the TSA from financial ruin....I will > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitment? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger will renew his lapsed TSA membership and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> donate $100 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TSA > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within seconds of The TEXAS CAVER being made a free > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publication > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caver > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who wants to sign up for a free subscription. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subscribing > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-TSA > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be solicited to join TSA but membership should > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not be > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for receiving all the good caving information aimed at > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bettering > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of caving in Texas. As a caver and TSA member I, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every caver in Texas to be reading TSA promotional > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> material, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safety > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information, articles about equipment and techniques, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cave > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> science, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upcoming > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> events which they can support by attending, trip and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cave > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reports, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participating personally by attending TSA conventions > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributing > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> articles to The TEXAS CAVER themselves, all of which > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am selfish. I want all of these non-TSA members to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read The > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TEXAS > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAVER > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I will benefit from them being more informed > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not have to be TSA members to be better cavers. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers, and well qualified and participating members > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caving > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community, if they simply read and contribute to The > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TEXAS > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAVER. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participation is good for me, it is good for you, and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caving. That is probably the most valuable service > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the TSA > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers and caving in Texas--keeping EVERYONE informed > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better participant in Texas caving. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I coined a phrase in 1969, "As The TEXAS CAVER goes, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so goes > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TSA." > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think that is still true today. If The TEXAS CAVER is > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas cavers digitally and free then we will see a much > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informed > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group of Texas cavers taking the bait to become > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TSA > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helping it reach it's selfish aims and purposes--a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> major > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promoting Texas caving--for ALL of us, not just the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few. The > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finally come, my fellow Texas cavers, to do something > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selves. It costs the TSA nothing to give The TEXAS > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAVER > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digitally. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> costs the TSA and Texas caving a lot not to. If you > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish for yourself and for all the other Texas > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers vote > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earliest opportunity to separate The CAVER from TSA > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> membership, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to any digital subscriber. Otherwise, we're just > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preaching > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choir. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yours in Texas caving (for nearly 43 years now), > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Ediger > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John P. Brooks > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to save the TSA from financial ruin....I will > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitment? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09 1:14 PM, "[email protected]" > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome back, Karen! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if we could only get Ediger to rejoin! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > > >
