have you had this discussion with anyone else?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:20 AM, ellie :) <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes. Ive been sick for 4 days- ive been thinking a lot. Wish I had > been in bed the whole time, no luck though > > On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >> Really think we should put that over Cavetex? >> >> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:14 AM, ellie :) <[email protected]> wrote: >>> So, copy and paste this following message and forward it to whatever >>> related posts: >>> I motion to table this discussion and refer it to the Free Texas Caver >>> committee to be discussed at the January 10th TSA meeting where >>> registered members present can vote for a majority. >>> Include meeting location details if desired. >>> >>> On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Sure, do you think we should bring up the 2 tier membership to go hand >>>> in hand with this? >>>> >>>> I dont' know what the costs should be, but people who want a hard >>>> cover should have to pay for that privilege :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:57 PM, ellie :) <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Yes, many geek friends w/ technological skills. >>>>> Will you be the Free Texas Caver committee chair? We can table the >>>>> Texas Caver conversation now and you can bring it up for debate at the >>>>> Jan meeting. At the Jan meeting, you will obtain the floor and make a >>>>> motion to the TSA chair. He will then accept/reject and then the >>>>> registered members present will vote and the majority wins. Sounds fun >>>>> and simple, right? You in? >>>>> >>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> I'm somewhat familiar with RRO, read through it years ago. >>>>>> >>>>>> Isn't that why you have geek friends? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:13 PM, ellie :) <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I majored in Business. I will forward you a script for the January >>>>>>> business meeting- Roberts Rule of Order, its simple. Im embarrassed >>>>>>> that I thought black meant red. I suck w/ computers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Just thoughts rambling through my head, never sat down and wrote down >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> ideas. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, went to A&M for a few years for comp sci and switched to an >>>>>>>> aeronautical school to get my pilot's license. Am back in computers >>>>>>>> tho, LOL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:10 PM, ellie :) <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Free thinker! Did you go to a liberal arts school? I will lay out a >>>>>>>>> simple, organized way to bring this issue up at the next meeting. I >>>>>>>>> have thought it through but will not propose it myself. You probably >>>>>>>>> have material prepared as well >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I'm not condoning of getting rid of the membership fees, and while >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> think a few may quit paying if they can get the TC for free, I >>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>> that it will bring in more members in the long run. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The information should be free. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:07 PM, ellie :) <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I didnt know you felt this way and thought as a TSA member, you >>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>> support having a small income for the organization. I will offer >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> give Gill my prize of a 2010 membership but in no way think that >>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>> should be no membership fees. I am glad he has someone to market >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> him though(you)-i wont >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Gil, I seem to remember you making that statement within the last >>>>>>>>>>>> year >>>>>>>>>>>> or so, about the $100 donation. I also seem to remark about >>>>>>>>>>>> matching >>>>>>>>>>>> that, and I'll stand by it. I'll donate $100 as well. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Gill Edigar <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John P. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooks <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to save the TSA from financial ruin....I will go digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>>>> renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitment? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger will renew his lapsed TSA membership and donate $100 to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>> within seconds of The TEXAS CAVER being made a free publication >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>> caver >>>>>>>>>>>>> who wants to sign up for a free subscription. Subscribing >>>>>>>>>>>>> non-TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>> members >>>>>>>>>>>>> should be solicited to join TSA but membership should not be a >>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement >>>>>>>>>>>>> for receiving all the good caving information aimed at bettering >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> cause >>>>>>>>>>>>> of caving in Texas. As a caver and TSA member I, personally, >>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>> every caver in Texas to be reading TSA promotional material, >>>>>>>>>>>>> safety >>>>>>>>>>>>> information, articles about equipment and techniques, cave >>>>>>>>>>>>> science, >>>>>>>>>>>>> upcoming >>>>>>>>>>>>> events which they can support by attending, trip and cave >>>>>>>>>>>>> reports, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> participating personally by attending TSA conventions and >>>>>>>>>>>>> contributing >>>>>>>>>>>>> articles to The TEXAS CAVER themselves, all of which will also >>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit >>>>>>>>>>>>> ME. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>> am selfish. I want all of these non-TSA members to read The >>>>>>>>>>>>> TEXAS >>>>>>>>>>>>> CAVER >>>>>>>>>>>>> because I will benefit from them being more informed and better >>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers. >>>>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>>>> do not have to be TSA members to be better cavers. But they can >>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers, and well qualified and participating members of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas >>>>>>>>>>>>> caving >>>>>>>>>>>>> community, if they simply read and contribute to The TEXAS >>>>>>>>>>>>> CAVER. >>>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>> participation is good for me, it is good for you, and it is good >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas >>>>>>>>>>>>> caving. That is probably the most valuable service the TSA can >>>>>>>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers and caving in Texas--keeping EVERYONE informed so they >>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> better participant in Texas caving. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I coined a phrase in 1969, "As The TEXAS CAVER goes, so goes the >>>>>>>>>>>>> TSA." >>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>> think that is still true today. If The TEXAS CAVER is made >>>>>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas cavers digitally and free then we will see a much better >>>>>>>>>>>>> informed >>>>>>>>>>>>> group of Texas cavers taking the bait to become members of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> helping it reach it's selfish aims and purposes--a major part of >>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> promoting Texas caving--for ALL of us, not just the few. The >>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>> finally come, my fellow Texas cavers, to do something for our >>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish >>>>>>>>>>>>> selves. It costs the TSA nothing to give The TEXAS CAVER away >>>>>>>>>>>>> digitally. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>> costs the TSA and Texas caving a lot not to. If you want to do >>>>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish for yourself and for all the other Texas cavers vote at >>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>> earliest opportunity to separate The CAVER from TSA membership, >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> free to any digital subscriber. Otherwise, we're just preaching >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> choir. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yours in Texas caving (for nearly 43 years now), >>>>>>>>>>>>> --Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John P. Brooks >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to save the TSA from financial ruin....I will go digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>>>> renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitment? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09 1:14 PM, "[email protected]" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome back, Karen! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if we could only get Ediger to rejoin! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
