Pranam 1 Sri Cyrus and Rediff and YM have all expressed the shape of the elephant without the perceptions and all of them are correct to a level. I cannot say absolutely incorrect. I have told this long ago but again to clarify: an elephant running amach which was being controlled by the mahout. A yogi was walking against in bliss; he was telling the atma of the elephant and that of himself are one only so atma cannot destroy another atma; the elephant threw him out; when he asked the GOD why his preaching went dead?; HE answered: 1 souls are one; 2 bodies are different; all souls are not many but only one; and that only one Mahout from the top was asking you to get out of the path which you did not notice; so atma is safe but not the body. 2 Greater than the speed of light as for as the west science is concerned and that of Einstein know how does not exist; bit there are faster speeds in the space than the light; even for a moment atom is termed as wave or particle but cannot both be seen at the same time; even in proton couple in quantum entanglement , it is said that one can be observed but not the other BUT what caharacter is one does the other too possess; the eye that can see the photon or quantum at that 186000 miles speed per second, could not see both together nor the atom at one moment and the next moment; is it the space or time lapse?; science can travel only when the flight next lands; the flights in India had already landed and described as a visionary experiences. 3 Isaupanishaad verse 4 says that " anejad ekaṁ manaso javīyo nainad devā āpnuvan pūrvamarṣat | tad dhāvato’nyān-atyeti tiṣṭhat tasminn apo mātariśvā dadhāti ||4|| It is unmoving, *one, and fas**ter than the mind*. The senses could not overtake It, since *It ran ahead.* Remaining stationary, It outruns all other runners. By it, the all-pervading air (*Sutratman*) supports the activity of all living beings. Shankara’s Commentary:
*4 Anejat* is a compound of *na* and *ejat.* The root *ejri* means to *shake.* Shaking is motion, *i.e.,* deviation, from a fixed position. Free from that, *i. e.,* ever constant. It is, besides, one in all *Bhatas.* It is fleeter than the mind, whose characteristics are volition, etc. How is this inconsistent statement made *i. e.,* that it is constant and motionless and at the same time fleeter than the mind? This is no fault. This is possible with reference to its being thought of, as unconditioned and conditioned. It is constant and motionless in its unconditioned state. That the mind travels fastest is well-known to all, seeing that the mind encased within the body and characterised by volition and doubt is able at one volition to travel to such distant places as the *Brahmaloka* etc.; and travelling so fast as it does, it perceives on landing (at its destination) that the intelligent *Atman* has, as it were, gone there before it; therefore, the *Atman* is said to be fleeter than the mind. *Devas*, from the root which means ‘enlighten,’ signifies the senses such as the eye, etc. *Etat* means the entity of the *Atman* which is now being treated of. These senses could not overtake it. The mind is faster <https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/ishavasya-bhashya-by-sitarama/d/doc145021.html#page-10>than these, because these are distanced by the activity of the mind. Not even the semblance of the *Atman* is within the perception of the senses; for, it had gone even before the mind which is fleeter than they, being all-pervading, like the *Akas.* The entity of the *Atman,* all-pervading, devoid of any attributes of *samsara*, and in its unconditioned state subject to no modification, appears to undergo all the changes of *samsara.* superposed upon it. and though one, appears, in the eyes of ignorant men, diverse and enclosed in every body. It *seems* to travel beyond the reach of others’ mind, speech, the senses, &c., which are dissimilar to the *Atman,* though they run fast. The sense of ‘*seems*’ is suggested by the *mantra* using *t* *ishtkat* (sitting). ‘*Sitting,* means ‘being itself inactive.’ ‘*Tasmin’* means ‘while the entity of the *Atman* endures.’ ‘*Matarisva’* means ‘air,’ so called, because it moves (*svayati*) in space (*matari*—*antarikshe).* Air ( *matarisva*) is that whose activity sustains all life, on which all causes and effects depend, and in which all these inhere, which is called *sutra* (thread, as it were) supporting all the worlds through which it runs. The word ‘ *Apah’* means all *Karma*—the manifested activity of all living things. (This air) allots to fire, sun, clouds, &c., <https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/ishavasya-bhashya-by-sitarama/d/doc145021.html#page-11> their several functions of flaming, burning, sinning, raining, &c. Or, it may be said that it supports these, from the *Srutis,* such as “From fear of this, the wind blows, *&c*.” The meaning is that all these modifications of effects and causes take place only while the eternally intelligent entity of the *Atman*, the source-of all, endures." 5 tad ejati tan naijati tad dūre tad vad antike | tad antarasya sarvasya tad u sarvasyāsya bāhyataḥ ||5||verse That moves, That does not move; That is far off, That is very near; That is inside all, and That is outside all. 6 Verse 3.79.2 yoga vasishtam राक्षस्युवाच । एकस्यानेकसंख्यस्य कस्याणोरम्बुधेरिव । अन्तर्ब्रह्माण्डलक्षाणि लीयन्ते बुद्बुदा इव ॥ २ ॥ *rākṣasyuvāca* | *ekasyānekasaṃkhyasya kasyāṇorambudheriva* | *antarbrahmāṇḍalakṣāṇi līyante budbudā iva* || 2 || The substance is One only. It is as subtle as an atom. We can say so because it cannot be grasped by any of the sense organs. { eye can catch the photon but senses cannot} Millions and millions of universes are born from it like bubbles in water and disappear back into it. It resembles in that aspect an infinite ocean in which the waves, bubbles and foam are born and go back into it. Hence it appears as though it has innumerable forms. The question is what is that atom-like ‘thing’ which forms the substratum to various projections? There is no better science at least 10000 years before; Micro and macro explained in almost all languages of the earth,is here; the significance of the sivalingam is here; atoms that can travel faster than light photons are here. It is nonchalant as well as faster is isaupanishad. So God speed is not only a blessing but also a truth. Thank you K R IRS 5321 On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 at 06:55, Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu < [email protected]> wrote: > God is everywhere,creating feelings,emotions and the God sensations,Quanum > or nano entanglement at the most fundamental level,at a speed several > times faster than light.The Techno infatuation is preventing our realizing > that Quantum Physics is God's Physics.As it is the effort in the name of > science is to mechanize God from quantum on,convert God into the Atheist > and the Godless Mechanic,make nature repudiate or incapable of emotions and > beliefs,by the new gospel of science--'Machines and Machines are > everywhere,not an iota of feeling anywhere'. > YM > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 8:17 PM cyrus malaowala <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> *GOD is not an object or a particle or a visible entity having speed.* >> *GOD IS THE INFINITE OMNIPRESENT EVER-PERVADING ENERGY.* >> *how can the Energy have speed when Energy itself creates speed.* >> >> *---CYRUS----* >> >> -------------- >> >> >> On Thursday, March 4, 2021, 07:40:24 PM GMT+5:30, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Pranam >> Indian Rediff answer is advaitic. If advaitham is understood and >> within it, Rediff is god one only who cannot answer at all; the question of >> light speed etc does not arise at all; hence reply is perfect subject to >> the world of Maya amd forum where we do exist and none of us are GOD. Where >> the perceiver and the perceived cannot see each other and one and the same >> there there is no speed light etc at all; so also this forum in existence; >> hope I made myself clear. Therefore there is no stoppage of GOD SIMPLY IS >> THE UNIVERSE THOUGH THAT IS THE TRUTH. aAlso sirs, one shall remember,THE >> MAYA is also the GOD and only when superimposed the advaitham would arise; >> hence only the visishtadvaitham and the dvaitham are accepted. That is why >> Krishna in B G says ONLY ONE IN A MILLION REACH ME; rest as Sir Rediff said >> Punarapi maranam jananm. As long as the karma and the cyclic life exist as >> MAYA and we are not coming out of it, GOD is speedier than the light where >> the light is the MaYa. K R IRS 4321 >> >> On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 at 09:07, Indian Rediff <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Sir, >> >> You should stop with this statement: >> >> God simply is the Universe >> >> And the correct answer is, the Universe comes from Brahman - implying >> thereby that Brahman is more than just the Universe. Brahman is everything. >> According to the Upanishads (which are in a condensed form in the Bhagavad >> Gita) Brahman is formless, changeless, attributeless and cannot be >> described. How can one that is defined in such a manner have any material >> interaction? Hence, the reset of your sentence is meaningless. >> >> Sai >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 8:43 PM Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> God simply is the Universe,with a quantum nervous system,where the >> particles are subject to quantum entanglement,where the speed of light is >> exceeded several times. >> YM >> >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 9:11 PM Indian Rediff <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Pardon me all senior folks. Please forgive me if my response is >> meaningless. >> >> Hindu philosophy, at the highest levels, does not deal with matter. >> Light, quanta, other particles, why, the very space within which these >> exist - are all considered to be matter (jada). Asking a question like God >> and speed of light, is like asking what is the taste of blue color. Or, >> conversely, the color of the malli poo vasanai (only fragrance - not the >> actual flower). Both are meaningless questions. >> >> From my understanding of the scriptures (unfortunately, I am not >> knowledgeable enough to quote from them), the Vedas are like a sixth form >> of knowledge acquiring mechanism (as opposed to the first five senses, >> which are essentially knowledge acquiring mechanisms). You need this sixth >> form, because the knowledge that youa re acquiring, is not material (made >> of matter). Once acquired, you will know that Brahman, is one and the only >> one and there is no other one and is present in everyone. >> >> Now - I know this from an intellectual perspective. I also know that it >> is going to take many lifetimes to have this veil of ignorance lifted and >> be rid of 'punarapi jananam, punarapi maranam'. >> >> Thus, to ask whether God can go faster than light is to mistake the very >> concept of God as being made of matter. After all, you can only compare >> like with like. >> >> Sai >> >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 8:04 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Pranam >> Sir Shri SKBji I do not understand; every question may have an answer >> ; but we may not be aware of it; if am asked, I would invite more angels to >> stand one upon another; ignorance is revealed if they are cover ups too; >> so atom ,quanta, entangle all jargons are explainable if micro can be >> explained. And why and who is not practicing humility here?. Never mind >> sir. As a scientist even you may have an answer. Thank you K R IRS 3321 >> >> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 at 18:05, Sithamalli Balasubramanian < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> This is as good as asking "How many angels can stand on a square foot of >> land." There is no answer. There are many cover-ups for ignorance. Let us >> practice humility. >> Skb. >> >> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 at 16:09, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> pRANAM >> Had a jab 1 over; quantum entanglement 2 only after 28 days; so just >> opened and saw the straight question quantum entanglement. Sri SKBji sir >> said he does not like the word quanta; because it is as imaginary as a >> binomial theorem and the true but confusing E=MC2; on the outset, I am >> editing to present as short as possible from 345 pages of my notes , >> filtered to 23 pages and trying to reduce still; may release next week; >> this is elaborating the right dot perception of Sri YM on CONSCIOUSNESS >> done a few days back. When we say that so for the entire science was >> expanded in samskritham long ago as verses to learn as poem, know a meaning >> superficially; then learn to deduce the meaning in depth. What I am trying >> is such analysis rendered already in our scriptures crossing the >> quantum entanglement; or else ESR theory would not have arisen nor bell's >> inequality; Bohr, Schrodinger all said that Indian Upanishads explored the >> quantum jump and entanglements in mundaka Upanishad itself; >> 2 2 10 Mundaka II, Khanda II >> <https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/mundaka-upanishad-shankara-bhashya/d/doc145109.html> >> न तत्र सूर्यो भाति न चन्द्रतारकं नेमा विद्युतो भान्ति कुतोऽयमग्निः । >> तमेव भान्तमनुभाति सर्वं तस्य भासा सर्वमिदं विभाति ॥ १० ॥ >> >> na tatra sūryo bhāti na candratārakaṃ nemā vidyuto bhānti kuto'yamagniḥ | >> tameva bhāntamanubhāti sarvaṃ tasya bhāsā sarvamidaṃ vibhāti || 10 || >> >> 10. The sun shines not there, nor the moon and the stars. Nor do these >> lightnings shine. How could this fire? All shine after him who shines. All >> this is illumined by his radiance. >> >> Verse 2.2.11 Mundaka II, Khanda II >> <https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/mundaka-upanishad-shankara-bhashya/d/doc145109.html> >> ब्रह्मैवेदममृतं पुरस्ताद्ब्रह्म पश्चाद्ब्रह्म दक्षिणतश्चोत्तरेण । >> अधश्चोर्ध्वं च प्रसृतं ब्रह्मैवेदं विश्वमिदं वरिष्ठम् ॥ ११ ॥ >> >> brahmaivedamamṛtaṃ purastādbrahma paścādbrahma dakṣiṇataścottareṇa | >> adhaścordhvaṃ ca prasṛtaṃ brahmaivedaṃ viśvamidaṃ variṣṭham || 11 || >> >> 11. All this before is immortal *Brahman*; certainly all behind is >> *Brahman*; all to the south and to the north; all bellow and all alone >> stretched out, *i.e.*, extended, all this is certainly *Brahman*, the >> highest. >> >> Verse 3.1.1 Mundaka III, Khanda I >> <https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/mundaka-upanishad-shankara-bhashya/d/doc145121.html> >> द्वा सुपर्णा सयुजा सखाया समानं वृक्षं परिषस्वजाते । तयोरन्यः पिप्पलं >> स्वाद्वत्त्यनश्नन्नन्यो अभिचाकशीति ॥ १ ॥ >> >> dvā suparṇā sayujā sakhāyā samānaṃ vṛkṣaṃ pariṣasvajāte | tayoranyaḥ >> pippalaṃ svādvattyanaśnannanyo abhicākaśīti || 1 || >> >> 1. Two inseparable companions of fine plumage perch on the self-same >> tree. One of the two feeds on the delicious fruit. The other not tasting of >> it looks on. >> >> 3 1 1 Two birds entangled same phenomena soul one Jeevatma another >> Paramatma distanced and closely; one eats another observes; one does not >> do anything and the other does; one acting in one axis in one direction; >> and the other in the negative strides; at a time both cannot be perceived >> even >> if one is measured by wave and color still any one only is visible; its a >> stretch as a quantum entanglement. The Brahmam is behind; to the south, to >> the north all below and all stretched out; extended. wave or particle >> travelling at speeds unnoticeable. There is no sun moon or starts nor the >> lightnings How could theer be the light illumined?. B G raises a similar >> one. Brahadaranyaka amd Hatho does that. all arose from the rig vedam >> Nasadiya suktham. Now i stop. I am trying also whether quantum and >> entanglement could be described as a story so that other than few of us >> many may understand and connecting to our scriptures. I need not do >> anything. Already the elders of our land as well as the world scientists >> had done that. spooky it is. K R IRS 3321 >> >> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 at 12:32, Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> What about quantum entanglement? >> YM >> >> On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 11:17 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Pranam >> Science always writes like the present media; the media writes or >> speaks for 30 minutes on the address to contact, without revealing all the >> time, and at the end forgetting to tell. So too the science of today. They >> talk tall but add in between subjects, cannot be sure, may need more etc >> etc and why would they present a paper at all? All the if and buts I could >> read there. Techyon they say but say went into darkness; einstein said and >> not said etc. But I am certain that we said it long ago that there are many >> spheres, space, darkness, suns and moons, objects that could travel faster >> than 186000 miles per second etc. And the west refuse to accept and raise >> their vocal chord and finally end it with the if and buts. They say at the >> end: “Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No >> matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there >> first, and is waiting for it.” So they know darkness can travel faster >> than the light. And unless the black hole has the negative energy and speed >> faster than the light, what went in or at least the light shall emit out >> but it is not so. And HE is GOD only because he is the light and the >> Darkness (all the positive and negative aspects are HIS) ; and nasadiya >> suktham was clear about it even if T H Griffith translation is bad; also >> ESWARA CHANDRA VIDYASAGAR AS A kid proved the existence of the god only >> like that; when I said nasthi contained the asthi some member made fun of >> me. That is the truth. Pususha and the prakruthi Maya are one and the same. >> Only because he is the darkness can travel faster than light and show the >> light to wait; what he can do or not HE need not prove the fragile humanity >> but it is vice-versa only. The late Dawkins admitted the impracticality of >> the singularity theory which is a rightful admission of change. 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