I am ADDRESSING THIS IN RESPONSE TO LAKSHMINARAYANA SHARMAJI's satvika request. I ack but Mr Sharmaji are you doing this unilaterally or bilaterally? Impartially or partially? Is it because having read the whole episodes , right from the beginning, you felt your Annas are so honest purushas who are insulted by me or you feel that they can do anything but I have to remain silent? Than nenjarivadhu poyyarkka. When you wrote "NETAs should you not remember it does apply to you also sir? So if I write a 3rd rate material, keemayanam of Annadurai, will you all reply calmly without getting incited? Do not be smart as smarthas are long dead. Non-Niyathas cannot comment about the nethas. Do not worship humans; what bhagavatam speaks about how one dwija shaall react is: Mata pita guru deivam are worshipful; but throw them off if they go against the dharma and Vedas. If you refer you will find it by yourself. If you refer to your email when you wrote :"netha", can you spell properly the few words you wrote there? I am not at all jibing at you sir; I ignored them as it is common for all; but here I brought iti to your attention to explain the fellow to whom you are trying to defend here, writes such nonsense jibings but gets wild when cornered as his level is shallow, but I cannot pass as someone shall act as police or else thieves will plunder. Why did he not write about your wrong spellings?; because you are GOD? ; NO ; pancha tantra; even at 79 and 97. If your 88 wants to join them pl do so but be prepared to share the booty sir. You wrote one similar to your anna and what you got back and went silent. One who knows that he does not know is better. If you would like the relationship of Moodan and moorgan and the crocodiles as close, please have them and have a taste . But unless you are neutral and courageous enough to shut out all fronts please do not disturb annas. Have courage to fight then you are a Brahmin. Or else think so and lead your life in silence. Thank you sir KR IRS 18 8 23
On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 22:01, Laxminarayan Sarma < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear RK , Loved your write-up. You write well .But would it be too much to > ask far if i request you to kindly confine to the subject . Not detract > from it by bringing in references to anybody. And, for heaven's sake, > please stop being disrespectful toeards the venerable 97 year old > gentleman..It goes against the tenets of Sanatana Dharma. The elderly > gentleman is a Father Figure to most of us, seen and experienced more of > the world. Regardless of snything, I would take it in my stride every > uttersnce of such an elderly gentleman as a blessing. That is what my > ancestors, my elders and my peers have yaught me. And i always abide by > what i have imbibed as part of my upbringing and culture. > > So, sir, kindly hold your horses.. Words spoken in haste will cause us to > repent at leisure. > > With respectful regards > > Laxminarayan > > On Thu, 17 Aug, 2023, 6:33 pm 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123, < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Respected Mr Rajaram, >> >> You may have hatred and anger, show it to your family members, not on me. >> >> It would not take much time to call you an idiot and fool. >> >> But my culture does not permit to call you so. *You have no culture at >> all. You are unfit to be called a former IRS. * >> >> *Next time you get anger show it your family members*. They will retard >> to you, at least ten times you are using including your grand kids. >> >> There is an upper limit to one's patience. Are you not ashamed to lower >> down to call another idiot and fool? Shame on you. >> >> Gopalakrishan >> >> On Thursday, 17 August, 2023 at 01:33:57 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> As usual when Gopalakrishnan blabbers, and Narayanasamy naragal abuses >> without any knowledge of the subject, they will write either one to one or >> within iyer 123 with few members, out of which a few in conglomeration of >> their out focussed company. Gopalakrishnan always floundered down below the >> earth as he knew the route very well as he alone distinguished where is >> earth and where is hell south etc. That Gopalkrishna fool of an Ass did >> not understand, whether nachiketa going to hell is written by Narayanasamy >> or myself. That senile idiot of Singapore at 97 cannot distinguish the >> foreign on earth and the rest travel in space. For that Kid anything >> outside his bed is foreign so maybe it is. Hello Gopala, I know your >> knowledge is shallow. But your write up below south etc you should have >> learnt better. Where is the earth? Below Moon or SUN? Gopalakrishnan this >> map is for you ; find out up or down this earth where you live before going >> to foreign[below the earth]: >> >> Do you know directions in space? [image: image.png] >> Kathopanishad etymology >> >> Katha (Sanskrit: कठ) literally means "distress". Katha is also the name >> of a sage, credited as the founder of a branch of the Krishna Yajur-veda, >> as well as the term for a female pupil or follower of Kathas school of >> Yajurveda. Katha Upanishad uses words that symbolically embed and >> creatively have multiple meanings. For example, a closely pronounced word >> *Katha* (Sanskrit: कथा) literally means "story, legend, conversation, >> speech, tale" All of these related meanings are relevant to the Katha >> Upanishad. >> >> Nachiketa, the boy and a central character in the Katha Upanishad legend, >> similarly, has closely related words with roots and meanings relevant to >> the text. The language Sanskrit, suggests *Na- kṣiti* and *Na- aksiyete*, >> which are word plays of and pronounced similar to Nachiketa, means >> "non-decay, or what does not decay", a meaning that is relevant to second >> boon portion of the Nachiketa story. Similarly, *Na- jiti* is another >> word play and means "that which cannot be vanquished", which is >> contextually relevant to the Nachiketa's third boon. Another variation to >> Nachiketa, with etymological roots that is relevant to Katha Upanishad: the >> word *Na-ciketa* also means "I do not know, or he does not know". Some >> of these Sanskrit word plays are incorporated within the Upanishads text. >> >> Like Taittiriya Upanishad of Yajurveda, each section of the Katha >> Upanishad is called a *Valli* (वल्ली), which literally means a medicinal >> vine <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vine>-like climbing plant that grows >> independently yet is attached to a main tree. This symbolic terminology is >> apt and likely reflects the root and nature of the Upanishads in Black >> Yajur Veda, which too is largely independent of the liturgical Yajur Veda, >> and is attached to the main text. THUS, HOW THE ELDERS INTERPRETED >> KATHOPANISHAD CAN BE SEEN FROM BANARSIDAS PUBLICATIONS. Out of wits in >> foreign land and those who think up and down to earth are foreign, will >> learn how a foreign mind can think from the elders’’ notes. >> >> The Upanishad opens with the story of Vajasravasa, also called >> *Aruni >> Auddalaki Gautama*, who gives away all his worldly possessions. However, >> his son Nachiketa (Sanskrit: नचिकेता) sees the charitable sacrifice as a >> farce, because all those worldly things have already been used to >> exhaustion, and are of no value to the recipients. The cows given away, for >> example, were so old that they had 'drank-their-last-water' (पीतोदकाः), >> 'eaten-their-last-grass' (जग्धतृणाः), 'don't give milk' (दुग्धदोहाः), >> 'who are barren' (निरिन्द्रियाः). {KR All these words fit those think >> interpreting foreigners} [peethodaga, jagatthruna, nirindriya etc] Concerned, >> the son asks his father, >> >> "Dear father, to whom will you give me away?" >> He said it a second, and then a third time. >> The father, seized by anger, replied: "To Death, I give you away." >> >> — Nachiketa, Katha Upanishad, 1.1.1-1.1.4 >> [image: image.png][image: image.png] >> >> >> [image: image.png] >> >> Kasmai mam dasyaSEETHI? IS THE QUESTION OF Nachiketa. >> >> Mrthyeva tva datam iti. >> >> HE IS GIVEN AS DATHAM BY FATHER TO YAMA; MEANING AS ANOTHER DEAD WOOD AS >> NACHIKETA THOUGHT THAT HIS FATHER IS GIVING AS GIFT ALL OLD USED ARTICLES. >> NACHIKETA DID NOT GO TO A FOREIGN AS DEFINED BY THE N AND G FOR COMMERCIAL >> PURPOSE; HE WAS THROWN OUT AS OLD ARTICLE AS GIFT BY HIS FATHER. >> >> So karka kasadara and then write K R IRS 17 8 23 >> >> >> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 11:45, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Respected sir, >> >> On 15th August when he wrote Too my friends, and when I pointed out that >> it must be to , Mr Rajaram gave justification for using Too in his >> response.Similarly for use of lose instead of lost he will respond with >> *justification >> for using lose*. >> >> "travelling through *space *from bhoolokam to yamalokam?" - he has >> wrote. As per concept in Hinduism I understand Yamalokam is beneath the >> bhoolokam, how it will be above bhoolokam to travel through space? >> >> "Naraka (Sanskrit: नरक), also called Yamaloka, is the Hindu equivalent >> of Hell, where sinners are tormented after death. It is also the abode of >> Yama, the god of Death. It is described as located *in the south of the >> universe and beneath the earth*" as per *google search* >> >> How space comes to the picture? >> >> Gopalakrishnan. >> >> In addition some abusing as response to your questions. >> >> On Thursday, 17 August, 2023 at 11:11:44 am IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Dear folks >> >> According to his own flawed reasoning:- >> >> (1) did Nachiketass "lose caste" (whatever that idiotic phrase might >> mean) by travelling through space from bhoolokam to yamalokam? >> >> (2) did reprobate renegade blasphemer and unschooled uneducated >> master-fibber K RAJARAM ex-IRS 16 8 23 "lose caste" similarly by >> travelling from India to Californuia, USA, and "lose caste" again >> irretrievably by travelling to Hawaii? >> >> Can he honestly and without prevarication, evasion and lying answer the >> following questions:- >> >> (3) was he ever of the braahmana "caste" since he never underwent any of >> our samskaarams including jaatha karmam, naama karanam, anna-praashanam, >> chaulam, ear-piercimg, aayushya-homam, upanayanam, vivaaham? >> >> (4) did he or did he not condemn, despise, denigrate, insult, discredit >> all vaadhyaars without whom he could not have any of these >> samskaarams performed? >> >> (5) has he ever heard of the kriya called the vichinnaagni santhaanam? >> >> (6) does he know why, by whom, and how it is performed? >> >> (7) did he marry according to the rules prescribed for Brahmins and >> Hindus, involving the sapthapadi circumambulation of the agni, or did he do >> a prosaic civil act before a government officer such as an assistant >> registrar or a registrar and proceed to consummation? >> >> (8) does he know what is the "naandi" ritual performed before upanayanam, >> vivaaham, shraaddham, shashti-abda-poorthi, and sathabhishekam? >> >> (9) does he know by whom and for whom and why is it performed? >> >> (10) does he know what is agnihothram? >> >> (11) if so, which has he performed, and on what occasion? >> >> S Narayanaswamy Iyer >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 11:42 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Section IX - Meditation on the Vaisvanavara Fire >> >> Chapter V >> <https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-brihadaranyaka-upanishad/d/doc122185.html> >> *Verse >> 5.9.1: Brahadaranyaka Upanishad* >> >> >> >> Kathopanishad Vaishvanaram verse of Nachiketa speaks about the yagnam >> the Vedic must perform, connecting his soul to the fire agni @ >> Vaisnavara=human Agni. Vedam oduvarrkku ore mazhai means the strict vediyar >> addicted to being a Brahmin. The Vaishvanaran who begets th fire on the >> Brahma yagnam, must preserve it till death when his atman gets purified by >> that Agni. Hence Crossing the ocean is prohibited for the tri varnas and >> especially to the true Brahmin. >> >> The prohibition is clearly stated in several scriptures. The >> Baudhayana Sutra, one of the Hindu Dharma Shastras, says that “making >> voyages by sea” (II.1.2.2) is an offense which will cause pataniya, loss >> of caste. It offers a rather difficult penance: “They shall eat every >> fourth mealtime a little food, bathe at the time of the three libations >> (morning, noon and evening), passing the day standing and the night >> sitting. After the lapse of three years, they throw off their guilt.” >> Harsha Ramamurthy in his erudite article on the issue, explains that, >> according to Baudhayana Sutra, the highest authority in deciding a question >> of dharma is shruti, our primary scriptures, the Vedas and Agamas. Next is >> the smriti, the secondary scriptures, which include the Dharma Shastras. >> Third is sampradaya, the teachings and practices of a specific lineage. He >> concludes, “ because of the bans in smriti and sampradaya, such travel is >> considered a banned activity.” He added that the ban applies to all three >> upper castes, and not just brahmins. It also applies to sannyasins, who–in >> his tradition–can only be from the brahmin caste. >> >> Why the ban? >> >> In the Baudhayana Sutra, the ban is discussed in the context of a >> description of the geographical limits of India which concludes that within >> its boundary “spiritual pre-eminence is found.” Generally, two reasons are >> given by scholars for the ban. The first is that it is impossible to >> maintain one’s required daily religious observances on a ship, particularly >> thrice-daily personal worship. The second is that one will incur the sin of >> mlecchas samparka, usually politely translated as mixing with foreigners. >> Mlecchas, however, is more accurately translated as “barbarian” or >> “savage.” “I am told,” he said, “that there is a penance to be performed >> when a sannyasin or priest crosses the ocean. The existence of this penance >> shows that as per the need and their own deeper vision, a sannyasin or >> priest can cross the ocean to preserve and make his mother religion >> flourish. *But this should not be done for any materialistic need.”* >> >> Dr. A.V. Ramana Dikshitulu, head priest of the Balaji Temple in >> Tirumala, one of India’s most respected and popular pilgrimage >> destinations, said, “None of our priests who serve in the main sanctum can >> cross the ocean. Neither I nor any member of my family have done so, >> despite lucrative offers from abroad. Serving the Lord here is most >> important to us. The Balaji Temple is governed by the Vaikhanasa Agama. It >> says that the people outside India are akin to mlecchas, barbarians, who do >> not follow any rules or code of conduct, and therefore it forbids visiting >> such places. These places have habits, food, relationships and other things >> which could make us corrupt and impure.” >> >> sunrise, midday and sunset, called trikal gayatri sandhya,” he >> explained. “*This trikal sandhya cannot be performed on a plane or ship; >> it must be done on the earth.” *Dr. Ramana Dikshitulu does not >> specifically rule out “crossing” an ocean, for he himself flies >> occasionally from Chennai to Kolkata, a flight which goes out over the Bay >> of Bengal. But as that flight is only two hours long, he does not miss his >> trikal sandhya as he would on a longer flight or a voyage by ship, and he >> does not land outside India. *He was unaware of any penance to offset >> crossing the ocean.* >> >> Clearly the Dharma Shastras’ ban on ocean travel was intended >> to maintain the religious strength and purity of the individual, and to >> prevent negative external influence from non-Hindu cultures. Other cultures >> had the same concern. One can note that the very word barbarian (used to >> translate mleccha with a strongly negative connotation), just meant >> “foreigner,” in the original Greek, yet came to describe an uncultured or >> brutish person. Baudhayana Sutra makes the point more than once to >> delineate ancient India’s boundaries and declare it a sacred land out of >> which one should not step >> >> * Hence Nachiketa Vaisvanara concept eduvated by Dharma Raja >> applied to Brahmins who did not cross the ocean and for such alone ore >> mazhai is possible. Brahadaranyaka Upanishad states as under: * >> >> अयमाग्निर्वैश्वानरो योऽयमन्तः पुरुषे, येनेदमन्नं पच्यते यदिदमद्यते; >> तस्यैष घोषो भवति यमेतत्कर्णावपिधाय शृणोति; स यदोत्क्रमिष्यन्भवति नैनं >> घोषं शृणोति ॥ १ ॥ >> इति नवमं ब्राह्मणम् ॥ >> >> ayamāgnirvaiśvānaro yo'yamantaḥ puruṣe, yenedamannaṃ pacyate >> yadidamadyate; tasyaiṣa ghoṣo bhavati yametatkarṇāvapidhāya śṛṇoti; sa >> yadotkramiṣyanbhavati nainaṃ ghoṣaṃ śṛṇoti || 1 || >> iti navamaṃ brāhmaṇam || >> >> 1. This fire that is within a man and digests the food that is eaten, is >> Vaiśvānara. It emits this sound that one hears by stopping the ears thus. >> When a man is about to leave the body, he no more hears this sound. >> >> Here is another meditation like the preceding ones. *This fire is >> Vaiśvānara.* Which fire? This *that* is *within a man.* Is it the >> element fire that is one of the components of the body? No, it is the one >> called Vaiśvānara, which *digests the food.* Which food? The food *that >> is eaten* by men. That is to say, the heat in the stomach. For direct >> sign of it the text says: As that fire digests the food, *it emits this >> sound. *What is it? *That one hears by stopping the ears thus,* with >> one’s fingers. The word ‘Etat’ is an adverb (meaning ‘thus’). One should >> meditate upon that fire as Vaiśvānara, or Virāj. Here too the result is >> identification with it. 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