True sir I never meant me, but......With Pranams a humblest of all On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 at 20:15, Laxminarayan Sarma < [email protected]> wrote:
> You referred to the term *psychic* *pressure* . As per my very limited > familiarity with the English language and as per any standard English > dictionary, the word *psychic denotes a person having unusual powers that > cannot be explained , for example, knowing what somebody else is thinking > or being able to see into the future. * > > *I didn't realise you are a psychic, such a powerful person * > > *MY HUMBLEST PRANAMS TO YOU * > > > > On Fri, 18 Aug, 2023, 7:35 pm Rajaram Krishnamurthy, < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Great But what one now is what one then was ; stating in the reverse is >> hypocritic in my opinion Not in yours. You live your life and I live my >> life. All lead lives out of psychic pressures only thanks again for the >> revelations KR IRS 18 823 >> >> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 at 19:31, Laxminarayan Sarma < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The subject of Taxes, for me, is as alien as amavasya is to Abdul Kader. >>> I am averse to asserting, repeatedly flauntiing my professional >>> credentials, rank , medals, and all that go with it. That's my private >>> life, and i am sure, is of no consequence to anyone. >>> >>> So I'd not talk about machine guns and howitzers, recce and tegiment. I >>> believe.One should be known for what one is, not for what one was. However >>> high, mighty, whatever rank or fesignation however big >>> >>> On Fri, 18 Aug, 2023, 6:39 pm Rajaram Krishnamurthy, < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you for your extreme thanks giving for all things done so far; as >>>> I told you I never do anything; nandrum theethum pirar thara vaara; after >>>> all your words if hurted you , it is my misfortune indeed; where indirect >>>> and direct taxes are not levied, CBDT does not interfere in anyone's >>>> affairs; thank you for the average relishments and highly appreciate your >>>> pruning hearings. Thanks again K R to LNS 123 upto infinity group and >>>> others >>>> >>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 at 17:03, Laxminarayan Sarma < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Most Respected Brahmasri Rajaram Krishnamurthy, IRS, *123* to >>>>> *Infinity* avargaley thank you for so obligingly spelling my name and >>>>> surname the way it should be spelled. However do me another favor: kindly >>>>> oblige me by de-fusing my name from my surname >>>>> Please do me another favour: kindly keep me out of your puerile >>>>> mud-sling match because I want none of it >>>>> >>>>> I strongly feel, no, I am sure you are averse to receiving even >>>>> genuine positives as can be evidenced from your derisive contemptuous >>>>> reference to my innocuous use of *kings English or queen's English *in >>>>> paying compliments to you. >>>>> >>>>> Once again, please cease making personal allusions to me. The wise >>>>> step will be in your own interest >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> , >>>>> please keep me out of your mud-sling >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug, 2023, 2:31 pm Rajaram Krishnamurthy, < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sure colLaxminarayansarmaji. However issues I have told already do >>>>>> crop up when punches are formed by yourself. Do exclaim your friends by >>>>>> name; but writing Nethas etc do not point to them. So write boldly and >>>>>> take >>>>>> it back . What you pay so you receive sir. I never start anything but I >>>>>> do >>>>>> not allow weeds to grow under my feet. Even now you have not stated why >>>>>> seeking annas ,on a certain topic, remained silent even after seeing a >>>>>> part >>>>>> reply. So whereas the letters say neutral, punches are passed with >>>>>> favouritism. As long as you treat it as strict business I do not bother . >>>>>> So be may it be Whether Queen or King English sir Thank you KR IRS 18 823 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 at 11:39, Laxminarayan Sarma < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> KR-ji , you've now turned your guns at me. Never mind. I shall take >>>>>>> every whiplash from a lesrned, senior scholar like you as a lesson, a >>>>>>> blessing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But, with due respect, my knowledge of and command over the Queen's >>>>>>> English (now King's English), as compared to yours, is rudimentary, >>>>>>> almost >>>>>>> non-existent. As to my felicity with the keyboard of my Android, it is >>>>>>> lousy. Yiu will definitely appreciate that a hand that has wielded guns, >>>>>>> cannot be as delicate and supple as the one that has wielded high-end >>>>>>> pens...so it's obvious that I'm guilty of typos. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *But i take care of one thing: spelling of names. The biggest >>>>>>> indignity, disrespect and insult you can inflict on a man is >>>>>>> mis-spelling >>>>>>> his name. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're an erudite scholar treading the path of brahma shastras; not >>>>>>> an ordinary, uncouth, barely educated like me. Would respectfully >>>>>>> suggest >>>>>>> if you please spare a few precious seconds of your precious time, you >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> notice that i spell my surname *WITHOUT* an *H *! It is soelt *S-A-R-M-A >>>>>>> NOT * S-*H*-A-R-M-A >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *I sincerely trust you will kindly condescend to do me a great >>>>>>> favour by spelling my name correctly in your highly erudite scholarly >>>>>>> treatisez that you so obligingly post in the forum for the enlightment, >>>>>>> education, edification and, at times, entertainment of lesser mortals >>>>>>> like >>>>>>> this most humble servant of yours* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Col. Laxminarayan SaRMA* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug, 2023, 10:10 am Rajaram Krishnamurthy, < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am ADDRESSING THIS IN RESPONSE TO LAKSHMINARAYANA SHARMAJI's >>>>>>>> satvika request. I ack but Mr Sharmaji are you doing this unilaterally >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> bilaterally? Impartially or partially? Is it because having read the >>>>>>>> whole >>>>>>>> episodes , right from the beginning, you felt your Annas are so honest >>>>>>>> purushas who are insulted by me or you feel that they can do anything >>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>> have to remain silent? Than nenjarivadhu poyyarkka. When you wrote >>>>>>>> "NETAs >>>>>>>> should you not remember it does apply to you also sir? So if I write a >>>>>>>> 3rd >>>>>>>> rate material, keemayanam of Annadurai, will you all reply calmly >>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>> getting incited? Do not be smart as smarthas are long dead. >>>>>>>> Non-Niyathas >>>>>>>> cannot comment about the nethas. Do not worship humans; what bhagavatam >>>>>>>> speaks about how one dwija shaall react is: Mata pita guru deivam are >>>>>>>> worshipful; but throw them off if they go against the dharma and >>>>>>>> Vedas. If >>>>>>>> you refer you will find it by yourself. If you refer to your email when >>>>>>>> you wrote :"netha", can you spell properly the few words you wrote >>>>>>>> there? >>>>>>>> I am not at all jibing at you sir; I ignored them as it is common for >>>>>>>> all; >>>>>>>> but here I brought iti to your attention to explain the fellow to whom >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> are trying to defend here, writes such nonsense jibings but gets wild >>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>> cornered as his level is shallow, but I cannot pass as someone shall >>>>>>>> act as >>>>>>>> police or else thieves will plunder. Why did he not write about your >>>>>>>> wrong >>>>>>>> spellings?; because you are GOD? ; NO ; pancha tantra; even at 79 and >>>>>>>> 97. >>>>>>>> If your 88 wants to join them pl do so but be prepared to share the >>>>>>>> booty >>>>>>>> sir. You wrote one similar to your anna and what you got back and went >>>>>>>> silent. One who knows that he does not know is better. If you would >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> the relationship of Moodan and moorgan and the crocodiles as close, >>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>> have them and have a taste . But unless you are neutral and courageous >>>>>>>> enough to shut out all fronts please do not disturb annas. Have >>>>>>>> courage to >>>>>>>> fight then you are a Brahmin. Or else think so and lead your life in >>>>>>>> silence. Thank you sir KR IRS 18 8 23 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 22:01, Laxminarayan Sarma < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear RK , Loved your write-up. You write well .But would it be too >>>>>>>>> much to ask far if i request you to kindly confine to the subject . >>>>>>>>> Not >>>>>>>>> detract from it by bringing in references to anybody. And, for >>>>>>>>> heaven's >>>>>>>>> sake, please stop being disrespectful toeards the venerable 97 year >>>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>>> gentleman..It goes against the tenets of Sanatana Dharma. The elderly >>>>>>>>> gentleman is a Father Figure to most of us, seen and experienced more >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the world. Regardless of snything, I would take it in my stride every >>>>>>>>> uttersnce of such an elderly gentleman as a blessing. That is what my >>>>>>>>> ancestors, my elders and my peers have yaught me. And i always abide >>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>> what i have imbibed as part of my upbringing and culture. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, sir, kindly hold your horses.. Words spoken in haste will >>>>>>>>> cause us to repent at leisure. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With respectful regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Laxminarayan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Aug, 2023, 6:33 pm 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123, < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Respected Mr Rajaram, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You may have hatred and anger, show it to your family members, >>>>>>>>>> not on me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It would not take much time to call you an idiot and fool. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But my culture does not permit to call you so. *You have no >>>>>>>>>> culture at all. You are unfit to be called a former IRS. * >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Next time you get anger show it your family members*. They will >>>>>>>>>> retard to you, at least ten times you are using including your grand >>>>>>>>>> kids. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is an upper limit to one's patience. Are you not ashamed to >>>>>>>>>> lower down to call another idiot and fool? Shame on you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gopalakrishan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 17 August, 2023 at 01:33:57 pm IST, Rajaram >>>>>>>>>> Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As usual when Gopalakrishnan blabbers, and Narayanasamy naragal >>>>>>>>>> abuses without any knowledge of the subject, they will write either >>>>>>>>>> one to >>>>>>>>>> one or within iyer 123 with few members, out of which a few in >>>>>>>>>> conglomeration of their out focussed company. Gopalakrishnan always >>>>>>>>>> floundered down below the earth as he knew the route very well as he >>>>>>>>>> alone >>>>>>>>>> distinguished where is earth and where is hell south etc. That >>>>>>>>>> Gopalkrishna fool of an Ass did not understand, whether nachiketa >>>>>>>>>> going to >>>>>>>>>> hell is written by Narayanasamy or myself. That senile idiot of >>>>>>>>>> Singapore >>>>>>>>>> at 97 cannot distinguish the foreign on earth and the rest travel in >>>>>>>>>> space. >>>>>>>>>> For that Kid anything outside his bed is foreign so maybe it is. >>>>>>>>>> Hello >>>>>>>>>> Gopala, I know your knowledge is shallow. But your write up below >>>>>>>>>> south etc >>>>>>>>>> you should have learnt better. Where is the earth? Below Moon or SUN? >>>>>>>>>> Gopalakrishnan this map is for you ; find out up or down this earth >>>>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>>>> you live before going to foreign[below the earth]: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you know directions in space? [image: image.png] >>>>>>>>>> Kathopanishad etymology >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Katha (Sanskrit: कठ) literally means "distress". Katha is also >>>>>>>>>> the name of a sage, credited as the founder of a branch of the >>>>>>>>>> Krishna >>>>>>>>>> Yajur-veda, as well as the term for a female pupil or follower of >>>>>>>>>> Kathas >>>>>>>>>> school of Yajurveda. Katha Upanishad uses words that symbolically >>>>>>>>>> embed and >>>>>>>>>> creatively have multiple meanings. For example, a closely pronounced >>>>>>>>>> word >>>>>>>>>> *Katha* (Sanskrit: कथा) literally means "story, legend, >>>>>>>>>> conversation, speech, tale" All of these related meanings are >>>>>>>>>> relevant to >>>>>>>>>> the Katha Upanishad. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nachiketa, the boy and a central character in the Katha Upanishad >>>>>>>>>> legend, similarly, has closely related words with roots and meanings >>>>>>>>>> relevant to the text. The language Sanskrit, suggests *Na- >>>>>>>>>> kṣiti* and *Na- aksiyete*, which are word plays of and >>>>>>>>>> pronounced similar to Nachiketa, means "non-decay, or what does not >>>>>>>>>> decay", >>>>>>>>>> a meaning that is relevant to second boon portion of the Nachiketa >>>>>>>>>> story. >>>>>>>>>> Similarly, *Na- jiti* is another word play and means "that which >>>>>>>>>> cannot be vanquished", which is contextually relevant to the >>>>>>>>>> Nachiketa's >>>>>>>>>> third boon. Another variation to Nachiketa, with etymological roots >>>>>>>>>> that is >>>>>>>>>> relevant to Katha Upanishad: the word *Na-ciketa* also means "I >>>>>>>>>> do not know, or he does not know". Some of these Sanskrit word plays >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> incorporated within the Upanishads text. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Like Taittiriya Upanishad of Yajurveda, each section of the Katha >>>>>>>>>> Upanishad is called a *Valli* (वल्ली), which literally means a >>>>>>>>>> medicinal vine <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vine>-like >>>>>>>>>> climbing plant that grows independently yet is attached to a >>>>>>>>>> main tree. This symbolic terminology is apt and likely reflects the >>>>>>>>>> root >>>>>>>>>> and nature of the Upanishads in Black Yajur Veda, which too is >>>>>>>>>> largely >>>>>>>>>> independent of the liturgical Yajur Veda, and is attached to the >>>>>>>>>> main text. >>>>>>>>>> THUS, HOW THE ELDERS INTERPRETED KATHOPANISHAD CAN BE SEEN FROM >>>>>>>>>> BANARSIDAS >>>>>>>>>> PUBLICATIONS. Out of wits in foreign land and those who think up and >>>>>>>>>> down >>>>>>>>>> to earth are foreign, will learn how a foreign mind can think from >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> elders’’ notes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Upanishad opens with the story of Vajasravasa, also >>>>>>>>>> called *Aruni Auddalaki Gautama*, who gives away all his worldly >>>>>>>>>> possessions. However, his son Nachiketa (Sanskrit: नचिकेता) sees >>>>>>>>>> the charitable sacrifice as a farce, because all those worldly >>>>>>>>>> things have already been used to exhaustion, and are of no value to >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> recipients. The cows given away, for example, were so old that they >>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>> 'drank-their-last-water' (पीतोदकाः), 'eaten-their-last-grass' ( >>>>>>>>>> जग्धतृणाः), 'don't give milk' (दुग्धदोहाः), 'who are barren' ( >>>>>>>>>> निरिन्द्रियाः). {KR All these words fit those think interpreting >>>>>>>>>> foreigners} [peethodaga, jagatthruna, nirindriya etc] Concerned, >>>>>>>>>> the son asks his father, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Dear father, to whom will you give me away?" >>>>>>>>>> He said it a second, and then a third time. >>>>>>>>>> The father, seized by anger, replied: "To Death, I give you >>>>>>>>>> away." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> — Nachiketa, Katha Upanishad, 1.1.1-1.1.4 >>>>>>>>>> [image: image.png][image: image.png] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kasmai mam dasyaSEETHI? IS THE QUESTION OF Nachiketa. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mrthyeva tva datam iti. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> HE IS GIVEN AS DATHAM BY FATHER TO YAMA; MEANING AS ANOTHER DEAD >>>>>>>>>> WOOD AS NACHIKETA THOUGHT THAT HIS FATHER IS GIVING AS GIFT ALL OLD >>>>>>>>>> USED >>>>>>>>>> ARTICLES. NACHIKETA DID NOT GO TO A FOREIGN AS DEFINED BY THE N AND >>>>>>>>>> G FOR COMMERCIAL >>>>>>>>>> PURPOSE; HE WAS THROWN OUT AS OLD ARTICLE AS GIFT BY HIS FATHER. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So karka kasadara and then write K R IRS 17 8 23 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 11:45, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Respected sir, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 15th August when he wrote Too my friends, and when I pointed >>>>>>>>>> out that it must be to , Mr Rajaram gave justification for using >>>>>>>>>> Too in >>>>>>>>>> his response.Similarly for use of lose instead of lost he will >>>>>>>>>> respond >>>>>>>>>> with *justification for using lose*. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "travelling through *space *from bhoolokam to yamalokam?" - he >>>>>>>>>> has wrote. As per concept in Hinduism I understand Yamalokam is >>>>>>>>>> beneath >>>>>>>>>> the bhoolokam, how it will be above bhoolokam to travel through >>>>>>>>>> space? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Naraka (Sanskrit: नरक), also called Yamaloka, is the Hindu >>>>>>>>>> equivalent of Hell, where sinners are tormented after death. It is >>>>>>>>>> also the >>>>>>>>>> abode of Yama, the god of Death. It is described as located *in >>>>>>>>>> the south of the universe and beneath the earth*" as per *google >>>>>>>>>> search* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How space comes to the picture? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gopalakrishnan. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In addition some abusing as response to your questions. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 17 August, 2023 at 11:11:44 am IST, Narayanaswamy >>>>>>>>>> Iyer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear folks >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> According to his own flawed reasoning:- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (1) did Nachiketass "lose caste" (whatever that idiotic phrase >>>>>>>>>> might mean) by travelling through space from bhoolokam to yamalokam? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (2) did reprobate renegade blasphemer and unschooled uneducated >>>>>>>>>> master-fibber K RAJARAM ex-IRS 16 8 23 "lose caste" similarly >>>>>>>>>> by travelling from India to Californuia, USA, and "lose caste" again >>>>>>>>>> irretrievably by travelling to Hawaii? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Can he honestly and without prevarication, evasion and lying >>>>>>>>>> answer the following questions:- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (3) was he ever of the braahmana "caste" since he never underwent >>>>>>>>>> any of our samskaarams including jaatha karmam, naama karanam, >>>>>>>>>> anna-praashanam, chaulam, ear-piercimg, aayushya-homam, upanayanam, >>>>>>>>>> vivaaham? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (4) did he or did he not condemn, despise, denigrate, insult, >>>>>>>>>> discredit all vaadhyaars without whom he could not have any of these >>>>>>>>>> samskaarams performed? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (5) has he ever heard of the kriya called the vichinnaagni >>>>>>>>>> santhaanam? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (6) does he know why, by whom, and how it is performed? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (7) did he marry according to the rules prescribed for Brahmins >>>>>>>>>> and Hindus, involving the sapthapadi circumambulation of the agni, >>>>>>>>>> or did >>>>>>>>>> he do a prosaic civil act before a government officer such as an >>>>>>>>>> assistant >>>>>>>>>> registrar or a registrar and proceed to consummation? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (8) does he know what is the "naandi" ritual performed before >>>>>>>>>> upanayanam, vivaaham, shraaddham, shashti-abda-poorthi, and >>>>>>>>>> sathabhishekam? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (9) does he know by whom and for whom and why is it performed? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (10) does he know what is agnihothram? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (11) if so, which has he performed, and on what occasion? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 11:42 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Section IX - Meditation on the Vaisvanavara Fire >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chapter V >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-brihadaranyaka-upanishad/d/doc122185.html> >>>>>>>>>> *Verse >>>>>>>>>> 5.9.1: Brahadaranyaka Upanishad* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kathopanishad Vaishvanaram verse of Nachiketa speaks about the >>>>>>>>>> yagnam the Vedic must perform, connecting his soul to the fire agni @ >>>>>>>>>> Vaisnavara=human Agni. Vedam oduvarrkku ore mazhai means the strict >>>>>>>>>> vediyar >>>>>>>>>> addicted to being a Brahmin. The Vaishvanaran who begets th fire on >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Brahma yagnam, must preserve it till death when his atman gets >>>>>>>>>> purified by >>>>>>>>>> that Agni. Hence Crossing the ocean is prohibited for the tri varnas >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> especially to the true Brahmin. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The prohibition is clearly stated in several scriptures. The >>>>>>>>>> Baudhayana Sutra, one of the Hindu Dharma Shastras, says that “making >>>>>>>>>> voyages by sea” (II.1.2.2) is an offense which will cause >>>>>>>>>> pataniya, loss of caste. It offers a rather difficult penance: >>>>>>>>>> “They shall eat every fourth mealtime a little food, bathe at the >>>>>>>>>> time of >>>>>>>>>> the three libations (morning, noon and evening), passing the day >>>>>>>>>> standing >>>>>>>>>> and the night sitting. After the lapse of three years, they throw >>>>>>>>>> off their >>>>>>>>>> guilt.” Harsha Ramamurthy in his erudite article on the issue, >>>>>>>>>> explains >>>>>>>>>> that, according to Baudhayana Sutra, the highest authority in >>>>>>>>>> deciding a >>>>>>>>>> question of dharma is shruti, our primary scriptures, the Vedas and >>>>>>>>>> Agamas. >>>>>>>>>> Next is the smriti, the secondary scriptures, which include the >>>>>>>>>> Dharma >>>>>>>>>> Shastras. Third is sampradaya, the teachings and practices of a >>>>>>>>>> specific >>>>>>>>>> lineage. He concludes, “ because of the bans in smriti and >>>>>>>>>> sampradaya, such >>>>>>>>>> travel is considered a banned activity.” He added that the ban >>>>>>>>>> applies to >>>>>>>>>> all three upper castes, and not just brahmins. It also applies to >>>>>>>>>> sannyasins, who–in his tradition–can only be from the brahmin caste. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why the ban? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In the Baudhayana Sutra, the ban is discussed in the context of a >>>>>>>>>> description of the geographical limits of India which concludes that >>>>>>>>>> within >>>>>>>>>> its boundary “spiritual pre-eminence is found.” Generally, two >>>>>>>>>> reasons are >>>>>>>>>> given by scholars for the ban. The first is that it is impossible to >>>>>>>>>> maintain one’s required daily religious observances on a ship, >>>>>>>>>> particularly >>>>>>>>>> thrice-daily personal worship. The second is that one will incur the >>>>>>>>>> sin of >>>>>>>>>> mlecchas samparka, usually politely translated as mixing with >>>>>>>>>> foreigners. >>>>>>>>>> Mlecchas, however, is more accurately translated as “barbarian” or >>>>>>>>>> “savage.” “I am told,” he said, “that there is a penance to be >>>>>>>>>> performed >>>>>>>>>> when a sannyasin or priest crosses the ocean. The existence of this >>>>>>>>>> penance >>>>>>>>>> shows that as per the need and their own deeper vision, a sannyasin >>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> priest can cross the ocean to preserve and make his mother religion >>>>>>>>>> flourish. *But this should not be done for any materialistic >>>>>>>>>> need.”* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dr. A.V. Ramana Dikshitulu, head priest of the Balaji Temple >>>>>>>>>> in Tirumala, one of India’s most respected and popular pilgrimage >>>>>>>>>> destinations, said, “None of our priests who serve in the main >>>>>>>>>> sanctum can >>>>>>>>>> cross the ocean. Neither I nor any member of my family have done so, >>>>>>>>>> despite lucrative offers from abroad. Serving the Lord here is most >>>>>>>>>> important to us. The Balaji Temple is governed by the Vaikhanasa >>>>>>>>>> Agama. It >>>>>>>>>> says that the people outside India are akin to mlecchas, barbarians, >>>>>>>>>> who do >>>>>>>>>> not follow any rules or code of conduct, and therefore it forbids >>>>>>>>>> visiting >>>>>>>>>> such places. These places have habits, food, relationships and other >>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>> which could make us corrupt and impure.” >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> sunrise, midday and sunset, called trikal gayatri >>>>>>>>>> sandhya,” he explained. “*This trikal sandhya cannot be >>>>>>>>>> performed on a plane or ship; it must be done on the earth.” *Dr. >>>>>>>>>> Ramana Dikshitulu does not specifically rule out “crossing” an >>>>>>>>>> ocean, for >>>>>>>>>> he himself flies occasionally from Chennai to Kolkata, a flight >>>>>>>>>> which goes >>>>>>>>>> out over the Bay of Bengal. But as that flight is only two hours >>>>>>>>>> long, he >>>>>>>>>> does not miss his trikal sandhya as he would on a longer flight or a >>>>>>>>>> voyage >>>>>>>>>> by ship, and he does not land outside India. *He was unaware of >>>>>>>>>> any penance to offset crossing the ocean.* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Clearly the Dharma Shastras’ ban on ocean travel was >>>>>>>>>> intended to maintain the religious strength and purity of the >>>>>>>>>> individual, >>>>>>>>>> and to prevent negative external influence from non-Hindu cultures. >>>>>>>>>> Other >>>>>>>>>> cultures had the same concern. One can note that the very word >>>>>>>>>> barbarian >>>>>>>>>> (used to translate mleccha with a strongly negative connotation), >>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> meant “foreigner,” in the original Greek, yet came to describe an >>>>>>>>>> uncultured or brutish person. Baudhayana Sutra makes the point more >>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>> once to delineate ancient India’s boundaries and declare it a sacred >>>>>>>>>> land >>>>>>>>>> out of which one should not step >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Hence Nachiketa Vaisvanara concept eduvated by Dharma >>>>>>>>>> Raja applied to Brahmins who did not cross the ocean and for such >>>>>>>>>> alone ore >>>>>>>>>> mazhai is possible. Brahadaranyaka Upanishad states as under: * >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> अयमाग्निर्वैश्वानरो योऽयमन्तः पुरुषे, येनेदमन्नं पच्यते >>>>>>>>>> यदिदमद्यते; तस्यैष घोषो भवति यमेतत्कर्णावपिधाय शृणोति; स >>>>>>>>>> यदोत्क्रमिष्यन्भवति नैनं घोषं शृणोति ॥ १ ॥ >>>>>>>>>> इति नवमं ब्राह्मणम् ॥ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ayamāgnirvaiśvānaro yo'yamantaḥ puruṣe, yenedamannaṃ pacyate >>>>>>>>>> yadidamadyate; tasyaiṣa ghoṣo bhavati yametatkarṇāvapidhāya śṛṇoti; >>>>>>>>>> sa >>>>>>>>>> yadotkramiṣyanbhavati nainaṃ ghoṣaṃ śṛṇoti || 1 || >>>>>>>>>> iti navamaṃ brāhmaṇam || >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. This fire that is within a man and digests the food that is >>>>>>>>>> eaten, is Vaiśvānara. It emits this sound that one hears by stopping >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> ears thus. When a man is about to leave the body, he no more hears >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> sound. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here is another meditation like the preceding ones. *This fire >>>>>>>>>> is Vaiśvānara.* Which fire? This *that* is *within a man.* Is it >>>>>>>>>> the element fire that is one of the components of the body? No, it >>>>>>>>>> is the >>>>>>>>>> one called Vaiśvānara, which *digests the food.* Which food? The >>>>>>>>>> food *that is eaten* by men. That is to say, the heat in the >>>>>>>>>> stomach. For direct sign of it the text says: As that fire digests >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> food, *it emits this sound. *What is it? *That one hears by >>>>>>>>>> stopping the ears thus,* with one’s fingers. The word ‘Etat’ is >>>>>>>>>> an adverb (meaning ‘thus’). One should meditate upon that fire as >>>>>>>>>> Vaiśvānara, or Virāj. 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