True sir I never meant me, but......With Pranams a humblest of all

On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 at 20:15, Laxminarayan Sarma <
[email protected]> wrote:

> You referred to the term *psychic* *pressure* . As per my very limited
> familiarity with the English language and as per any standard English
> dictionary, the word *psychic denotes a person having unusual powers that
> cannot be explained , for example, knowing what somebody else is thinking
> or being able to see into the future. *
>
> *I didn't realise you are a psychic, such a powerful person *
>
> *MY HUMBLEST PRANAMS TO YOU *
>
>
>
> On Fri, 18 Aug, 2023, 7:35 pm Rajaram Krishnamurthy, <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Great  But what one now is what one then was ; stating in the reverse is
>> hypocritic in my opinion Not in yours. You live your life and I live my
>> life. All lead lives out of psychic pressures only thanks again for the
>> revelations KR IRS 18 823
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 at 19:31, Laxminarayan Sarma <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> The subject of Taxes, for me, is as alien as amavasya is to Abdul Kader.
>>> I am averse to asserting, repeatedly flauntiing my professional
>>> credentials, rank , medals, and all that go with it. That's my private
>>> life, and i am sure, is of no consequence to anyone.
>>>
>>> So I'd not talk about machine guns and howitzers, recce and tegiment. I
>>> believe.One should be known for what one is, not for what one was. However
>>> high, mighty, whatever rank or fesignation however big
>>>
>>> On Fri, 18 Aug, 2023, 6:39 pm Rajaram Krishnamurthy, <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you for your extreme thanks giving for all things done so far; as
>>>> I told you I never do anything; nandrum theethum pirar thara vaara; after
>>>> all your words if hurted you , it is my misfortune indeed; where indirect
>>>> and direct taxes are not levied, CBDT does not interfere in  anyone's
>>>> affairs; thank you for the average relishments and highly appreciate your
>>>> pruning hearings. Thanks again  K R to LNS 123 upto infinity group and
>>>> others
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 at 17:03, Laxminarayan Sarma <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Most Respected Brahmasri Rajaram Krishnamurthy, IRS, *123* to
>>>>> *Infinity* avargaley thank you for so obligingly spelling my name and
>>>>> surname the way it should be spelled. However do me another favor: kindly
>>>>> oblige me by de-fusing my name from my surname
>>>>> Please do me another favour: kindly keep me out of your puerile
>>>>> mud-sling match because I want none of it
>>>>>
>>>>> I strongly feel, no, I am sure you are averse to receiving even
>>>>> genuine positives as can be evidenced from your  derisive contemptuous
>>>>> reference to my  innocuous use of  *kings English or queen's English *in
>>>>> paying compliments to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once again, please cease making personal allusions to me. The wise
>>>>> step will be in your own interest
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ,
>>>>> please keep me out of your mud-sling
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug, 2023, 2:31 pm Rajaram Krishnamurthy, <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure colLaxminarayansarmaji. However issues I have told already do
>>>>>> crop up when punches are formed by yourself. Do exclaim your friends by
>>>>>> name; but writing Nethas etc do not point to them. So write boldly and 
>>>>>> take
>>>>>> it back . What you pay so you receive sir. I never start anything but I 
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> not allow weeds to grow under my feet. Even now you have not stated why
>>>>>> seeking annas ,on a certain topic, remained silent even after seeing a 
>>>>>> part
>>>>>> reply. So whereas the letters say neutral, punches are passed with
>>>>>> favouritism. As long as you treat it as strict business I do not bother .
>>>>>> So be may it be Whether Queen or King English sir Thank you KR IRS 18 823
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 at 11:39, Laxminarayan Sarma <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> KR-ji  , you've now turned your guns at me. Never mind. I shall take
>>>>>>> every whiplash from a lesrned, senior scholar like  you as a lesson, a
>>>>>>> blessing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, with due respect, my knowledge of and command over the Queen's
>>>>>>> English (now King's English), as compared to yours,  is rudimentary, 
>>>>>>> almost
>>>>>>> non-existent. As to my felicity with the keyboard of my Android, it is
>>>>>>> lousy. Yiu will definitely appreciate that a hand that has wielded guns,
>>>>>>> cannot be as delicate and supple as the one that has wielded high-end
>>>>>>> pens...so it's obvious that I'm guilty of typos.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *But i take care of one thing: spelling of names. The biggest
>>>>>>> indignity, disrespect and insult you can inflict on a man is 
>>>>>>> mis-spelling
>>>>>>> his name.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're an erudite scholar treading the path of brahma shastras; not
>>>>>>> an ordinary, uncouth, barely educated like me. Would respectfully 
>>>>>>> suggest
>>>>>>> if you please spare a few precious seconds of your precious time, you 
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> notice that i spell my surname *WITHOUT* an *H *! It is soelt *S-A-R-M-A
>>>>>>> NOT *  S-*H*-A-R-M-A
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I sincerely trust you will kindly condescend to do me a great
>>>>>>> favour by spelling my name correctly in your highly erudite scholarly
>>>>>>> treatisez that you so obligingly post in the forum for the enlightment,
>>>>>>> education, edification and, at times, entertainment of lesser mortals 
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> this most humble servant of yours*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Col. Laxminarayan SaRMA*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug, 2023, 10:10 am Rajaram Krishnamurthy, <
>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am ADDRESSING THIS IN RESPONSE TO LAKSHMINARAYANA SHARMAJI's
>>>>>>>> satvika request. I ack but Mr Sharmaji are you doing this unilaterally 
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> bilaterally? Impartially or partially?  Is it because having read the 
>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>> episodes , right from the beginning, you felt your Annas are so honest
>>>>>>>> purushas who are insulted by me or you feel that they can do anything 
>>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>>> have to remain silent? Than nenjarivadhu poyyarkka. When you wrote 
>>>>>>>> "NETAs
>>>>>>>> should you not remember it does apply to you also sir? So if I write a 
>>>>>>>> 3rd
>>>>>>>> rate material, keemayanam of Annadurai, will you all reply calmly 
>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>> getting incited? Do not be smart as smarthas are long dead. 
>>>>>>>> Non-Niyathas
>>>>>>>> cannot comment about the nethas. Do not worship humans; what bhagavatam
>>>>>>>> speaks about how one dwija shaall react is: Mata pita guru deivam are
>>>>>>>> worshipful; but throw them off if they go against the dharma and 
>>>>>>>> Vedas.  If
>>>>>>>> you refer you will find it by yourself. If you refer to your email when
>>>>>>>> you wrote :"netha", can you spell properly the few words you wrote 
>>>>>>>> there?
>>>>>>>>  I am not at all jibing at you sir; I ignored them as it is common for 
>>>>>>>> all;
>>>>>>>> but here I brought iti to your attention to explain the fellow to whom 
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> are trying to defend here, writes such nonsense jibings but gets wild 
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> cornered as his level is shallow, but I cannot pass as someone shall 
>>>>>>>> act as
>>>>>>>> police or else thieves will plunder. Why did he not write about your 
>>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>>> spellings?; because you are GOD? ; NO ; pancha tantra; even at 79 and 
>>>>>>>> 97.
>>>>>>>> If your 88 wants to join them pl do so but be prepared to share the 
>>>>>>>> booty
>>>>>>>> sir. You wrote one similar to your anna and what you got back and went
>>>>>>>> silent. One who knows that he does not know is better. If you would 
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> the relationship of Moodan and moorgan and the crocodiles as close, 
>>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>>> have them and have a taste . But unless you are neutral and courageous
>>>>>>>> enough to shut out all fronts please do not disturb annas. Have 
>>>>>>>> courage to
>>>>>>>> fight then you are a Brahmin. Or else  think so and lead your life in
>>>>>>>> silence. Thank you sir KR IRS 18 8 23
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 22:01, Laxminarayan Sarma <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear RK , Loved your write-up. You write well .But would it be too
>>>>>>>>> much to ask far if i request you to kindly confine to the subject . 
>>>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>>>> detract from it by bringing in references to anybody. And, for 
>>>>>>>>> heaven's
>>>>>>>>> sake, please stop being disrespectful toeards  the venerable 97 year 
>>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>>> gentleman..It goes against the tenets of Sanatana Dharma. The elderly
>>>>>>>>> gentleman is a Father Figure to most of us, seen and experienced more 
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the world. Regardless of snything, I would take it in my stride every
>>>>>>>>> uttersnce of such an elderly gentleman as a blessing. That is what my
>>>>>>>>> ancestors, my elders and my peers have yaught me. And i always abide 
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> what i have imbibed as part of my upbringing and culture.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, sir, kindly hold your horses.. Words spoken in haste will
>>>>>>>>> cause us to repent at leisure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With respectful regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Laxminarayan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Aug, 2023, 6:33 pm 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123, <
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Respected Mr Rajaram,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You may have hatred and anger, show it to your family members,
>>>>>>>>>> not on me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It would not take much time to call you an idiot and fool.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But my culture does not permit to  call you so. *You have no
>>>>>>>>>> culture at all. You are unfit to be called a former IRS. *
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Next time you get anger show it your family members*. They will
>>>>>>>>>> retard to you, at least ten times you are using including your grand 
>>>>>>>>>> kids.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is an upper limit to one's patience. Are you not ashamed to
>>>>>>>>>> lower down to call another idiot and fool? Shame on you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gopalakrishan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 17 August, 2023 at 01:33:57 pm IST, Rajaram
>>>>>>>>>> Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As usual when Gopalakrishnan blabbers, and Narayanasamy naragal
>>>>>>>>>> abuses without any knowledge of the subject, they will write either 
>>>>>>>>>> one to
>>>>>>>>>> one or within iyer 123 with few members, out of which a few in
>>>>>>>>>> conglomeration of their out focussed company. Gopalakrishnan always
>>>>>>>>>> floundered down below the earth as he knew the route very well as he 
>>>>>>>>>> alone
>>>>>>>>>> distinguished where is earth and where is hell south etc.  That
>>>>>>>>>> Gopalkrishna fool of an Ass did not understand, whether nachiketa 
>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>> hell is written by Narayanasamy or myself. That senile idiot of 
>>>>>>>>>> Singapore
>>>>>>>>>> at 97 cannot distinguish the foreign on earth and the rest travel in 
>>>>>>>>>> space.
>>>>>>>>>> For that Kid anything outside his bed is foreign so maybe it is. 
>>>>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>>>>> Gopala, I know your knowledge is shallow. But your write up below 
>>>>>>>>>> south etc
>>>>>>>>>> you should have learnt better. Where is the earth? Below Moon or SUN?
>>>>>>>>>> Gopalakrishnan this map is for you ; find out up or down this earth 
>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>> you live before going to foreign[below the earth]:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you know directions in space? [image: image.png]
>>>>>>>>>>          Kathopanishad etymology
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Katha (Sanskrit: कठ) literally means "distress". Katha is also
>>>>>>>>>> the name of a sage, credited as the founder of a branch of the 
>>>>>>>>>> Krishna
>>>>>>>>>> Yajur-veda, as well as the term for a female pupil or follower of 
>>>>>>>>>> Kathas
>>>>>>>>>> school of Yajurveda. Katha Upanishad uses words that symbolically 
>>>>>>>>>> embed and
>>>>>>>>>> creatively have multiple meanings. For example, a closely pronounced 
>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>> *Katha* (Sanskrit: कथा) literally means "story, legend,
>>>>>>>>>> conversation, speech, tale" All of these related meanings are 
>>>>>>>>>> relevant to
>>>>>>>>>> the Katha Upanishad.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nachiketa, the boy and a central character in the Katha Upanishad
>>>>>>>>>> legend, similarly, has closely related words with roots and meanings
>>>>>>>>>> relevant to the text. The language Sanskrit,  suggests *Na-
>>>>>>>>>> kṣiti* and *Na- aksiyete*, which are word plays of and
>>>>>>>>>> pronounced similar to Nachiketa, means "non-decay, or what does not 
>>>>>>>>>> decay",
>>>>>>>>>> a meaning that is relevant to second boon portion of the Nachiketa 
>>>>>>>>>> story.
>>>>>>>>>> Similarly, *Na- jiti* is another word play and means "that which
>>>>>>>>>> cannot be vanquished", which is contextually relevant to the 
>>>>>>>>>> Nachiketa's
>>>>>>>>>> third boon. Another variation to Nachiketa, with etymological roots 
>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>> relevant to Katha Upanishad: the word *Na-ciketa* also means "I
>>>>>>>>>> do not know, or he does not know". Some of these Sanskrit word plays 
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> incorporated within the Upanishads text.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like Taittiriya Upanishad of Yajurveda, each section of the Katha
>>>>>>>>>> Upanishad is called a *Valli* (वल्ली), which literally means a
>>>>>>>>>> medicinal vine <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vine>-like
>>>>>>>>>> climbing plant that grows independently yet is attached to a
>>>>>>>>>> main tree. This symbolic terminology is apt and likely reflects the 
>>>>>>>>>> root
>>>>>>>>>> and nature of the Upanishads in Black Yajur Veda, which too is 
>>>>>>>>>> largely
>>>>>>>>>> independent of the liturgical Yajur Veda, and is attached to the 
>>>>>>>>>> main text.
>>>>>>>>>> THUS, HOW THE ELDERS INTERPRETED KATHOPANISHAD CAN BE SEEN FROM 
>>>>>>>>>> BANARSIDAS
>>>>>>>>>> PUBLICATIONS. Out of wits in foreign land and those who think up and 
>>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>>> to earth are foreign, will learn how a foreign mind can think from 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> elders’’ notes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>           The Upanishad opens with the story of Vajasravasa, also
>>>>>>>>>> called *Aruni Auddalaki Gautama*, who gives away all his worldly
>>>>>>>>>> possessions. However, his son Nachiketa (Sanskrit: नचिकेता) sees
>>>>>>>>>> the charitable sacrifice as a farce, because all those worldly
>>>>>>>>>> things have already been used to exhaustion, and are of no value to 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> recipients. The cows given away, for example, were so old that they 
>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>> 'drank-their-last-water' (पीतोदकाः), 'eaten-their-last-grass' (
>>>>>>>>>> जग्धतृणाः), 'don't give milk' (दुग्धदोहाः), 'who are barren' (
>>>>>>>>>> निरिन्द्रियाः). {KR All these words fit those think interpreting
>>>>>>>>>> foreigners} [peethodaga, jagatthruna, nirindriya etc] Concerned,
>>>>>>>>>> the son asks his father,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Dear father, to whom will you give me away?"
>>>>>>>>>> He said it a second, and then a third time.
>>>>>>>>>> The father, seized by anger, replied: "To Death, I give you
>>>>>>>>>> away."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> — Nachiketa, Katha Upanishad, 1.1.1-1.1.4
>>>>>>>>>> [image: image.png][image: image.png]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kasmai mam dasyaSEETHI? IS THE QUESTION OF Nachiketa.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mrthyeva tva datam iti.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  HE IS GIVEN AS DATHAM BY FATHER TO YAMA; MEANING AS ANOTHER DEAD
>>>>>>>>>> WOOD AS NACHIKETA THOUGHT THAT HIS FATHER IS GIVING AS GIFT ALL OLD 
>>>>>>>>>> USED
>>>>>>>>>> ARTICLES. NACHIKETA DID NOT GO TO A FOREIGN AS DEFINED BY THE N AND 
>>>>>>>>>> G FOR COMMERCIAL
>>>>>>>>>> PURPOSE; HE WAS THROWN OUT AS OLD ARTICLE AS GIFT BY HIS FATHER.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       So karka kasadara and then write K R IRS 17 8 23
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 11:45, gopala krishnan <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Respected sir,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15th August when he wrote Too my friends, and when I pointed
>>>>>>>>>> out that it must be to , Mr Rajaram  gave justification for using 
>>>>>>>>>> Too in
>>>>>>>>>> his response.Similarly  for use of lose instead of lost he will 
>>>>>>>>>> respond
>>>>>>>>>> with *justification for using lose*.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "travelling through *space *from bhoolokam to yamalokam?" - he
>>>>>>>>>> has wrote. As per  concept in Hinduism I understand Yamalokam is 
>>>>>>>>>> beneath
>>>>>>>>>> the bhoolokam, how it will be above bhoolokam to travel through 
>>>>>>>>>> space?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Naraka (Sanskrit: नरक), also called Yamaloka, is the Hindu
>>>>>>>>>> equivalent of Hell, where sinners are tormented after death. It is 
>>>>>>>>>> also the
>>>>>>>>>> abode of Yama, the god of Death. It is described as located *in
>>>>>>>>>> the south of the universe and beneath the earth*" as per *google
>>>>>>>>>> search*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How space comes to the picture?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gopalakrishnan.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In addition some abusing as response to your questions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 17 August, 2023 at 11:11:44 am IST, Narayanaswamy
>>>>>>>>>> Iyer <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear folks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> According to his own flawed reasoning:-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (1) did Nachiketass "lose caste" (whatever that idiotic phrase
>>>>>>>>>> might mean) by travelling through space from bhoolokam to yamalokam?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (2) did reprobate renegade blasphemer and unschooled uneducated
>>>>>>>>>> master-fibber K RAJARAM  ex-IRS 16 8 23 "lose caste" similarly
>>>>>>>>>> by travelling from India to Californuia, USA, and "lose caste" again
>>>>>>>>>> irretrievably by travelling to Hawaii?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can he honestly and without prevarication, evasion and lying
>>>>>>>>>> answer the following questions:-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (3) was he ever of the braahmana "caste" since he never underwent
>>>>>>>>>> any of our samskaarams including jaatha karmam, naama karanam,
>>>>>>>>>> anna-praashanam, chaulam, ear-piercimg, aayushya-homam, upanayanam,
>>>>>>>>>> vivaaham?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (4) did he or did he not condemn, despise, denigrate, insult,
>>>>>>>>>> discredit all vaadhyaars without whom he could not have any of these
>>>>>>>>>> samskaarams performed?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (5) has he ever heard of the kriya called the vichinnaagni
>>>>>>>>>> santhaanam?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (6) does he know why, by whom, and how it is performed?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (7) did he marry according to the rules prescribed for Brahmins
>>>>>>>>>> and Hindus, involving the sapthapadi circumambulation of the agni, 
>>>>>>>>>> or did
>>>>>>>>>> he do a prosaic civil act before a government officer such as an 
>>>>>>>>>> assistant
>>>>>>>>>> registrar or a registrar and proceed to consummation?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (8) does he know what is the "naandi" ritual performed before
>>>>>>>>>> upanayanam, vivaaham, shraaddham, shashti-abda-poorthi, and 
>>>>>>>>>> sathabhishekam?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (9) does he know by whom and for whom and why is it performed?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (10) does he know what is agnihothram?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (11) if so, which has he performed, and on what occasion?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 11:42 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Section IX - Meditation on the Vaisvanavara Fire
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chapter V
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-brihadaranyaka-upanishad/d/doc122185.html>
>>>>>>>>>>  *Verse
>>>>>>>>>> 5.9.1: Brahadaranyaka Upanishad*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Kathopanishad Vaishvanaram verse of Nachiketa speaks about the
>>>>>>>>>> yagnam the Vedic must perform, connecting his soul to the fire agni @
>>>>>>>>>> Vaisnavara=human Agni. Vedam oduvarrkku ore mazhai means the strict 
>>>>>>>>>> vediyar
>>>>>>>>>> addicted to being a Brahmin. The Vaishvanaran who begets th fire on 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Brahma yagnam, must preserve it till death when his atman gets 
>>>>>>>>>> purified by
>>>>>>>>>> that Agni. Hence Crossing the ocean is prohibited for the tri varnas 
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> especially to the true Brahmin.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    The prohibition is clearly stated in several scriptures. The
>>>>>>>>>> Baudhayana Sutra, one of the Hindu Dharma Shastras, says that “making
>>>>>>>>>> voyages by sea” (II.1.2.2) is an offense which will cause
>>>>>>>>>> pataniya, loss of caste. It offers a rather difficult penance:
>>>>>>>>>> “They shall eat every fourth mealtime a little food, bathe at the 
>>>>>>>>>> time of
>>>>>>>>>> the three libations (morning, noon and evening), passing the day 
>>>>>>>>>> standing
>>>>>>>>>> and the night sitting. After the lapse of three years, they throw 
>>>>>>>>>> off their
>>>>>>>>>> guilt.” Harsha Ramamurthy in his erudite article on the issue, 
>>>>>>>>>> explains
>>>>>>>>>> that, according to Baudhayana Sutra, the highest authority in 
>>>>>>>>>> deciding a
>>>>>>>>>> question of dharma is shruti, our primary scriptures, the Vedas and 
>>>>>>>>>> Agamas.
>>>>>>>>>> Next is the smriti, the secondary scriptures, which include the 
>>>>>>>>>> Dharma
>>>>>>>>>> Shastras. Third is sampradaya, the teachings and practices of a 
>>>>>>>>>> specific
>>>>>>>>>> lineage. He concludes, “ because of the bans in smriti and 
>>>>>>>>>> sampradaya, such
>>>>>>>>>> travel is considered a banned activity.” He added that the ban 
>>>>>>>>>> applies to
>>>>>>>>>> all three upper castes, and not just brahmins. It also applies to
>>>>>>>>>> sannyasins, who–in his tradition–can only be from the brahmin caste.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      Why the ban?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the Baudhayana Sutra, the ban is discussed in the context of a
>>>>>>>>>> description of the geographical limits of India which concludes that 
>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>> its boundary “spiritual pre-eminence is found.” Generally, two 
>>>>>>>>>> reasons are
>>>>>>>>>> given by scholars for the ban. The first is that it is impossible to
>>>>>>>>>> maintain one’s required daily religious observances on a ship, 
>>>>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>>>>> thrice-daily personal worship. The second is that one will incur the 
>>>>>>>>>> sin of
>>>>>>>>>> mlecchas samparka, usually politely translated as mixing with 
>>>>>>>>>> foreigners.
>>>>>>>>>> Mlecchas, however, is more accurately translated as “barbarian” or
>>>>>>>>>> “savage.” “I am told,” he said, “that there is a penance to be 
>>>>>>>>>> performed
>>>>>>>>>> when a sannyasin or priest crosses the ocean. The existence of this 
>>>>>>>>>> penance
>>>>>>>>>> shows that as per the need and their own deeper vision, a sannyasin 
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> priest can cross the ocean to preserve and make his mother religion
>>>>>>>>>> flourish. *But this should not be done for any materialistic
>>>>>>>>>> need.”*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      Dr. A.V. Ramana Dikshitulu, head priest of the Balaji Temple
>>>>>>>>>> in Tirumala, one of India’s most respected and popular pilgrimage
>>>>>>>>>> destinations, said, “None of our priests who serve in the main 
>>>>>>>>>> sanctum can
>>>>>>>>>> cross the ocean. Neither I nor any member of my family have done so,
>>>>>>>>>> despite lucrative offers from abroad. Serving the Lord here is most
>>>>>>>>>> important to us. The Balaji Temple is governed by the Vaikhanasa 
>>>>>>>>>> Agama. It
>>>>>>>>>> says that the people outside India are akin to mlecchas, barbarians, 
>>>>>>>>>> who do
>>>>>>>>>> not follow any rules or code of conduct, and therefore it forbids 
>>>>>>>>>> visiting
>>>>>>>>>> such places. These places have habits, food, relationships and other 
>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>> which could make us corrupt and impure.”
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>            sunrise, midday and sunset, called trikal gayatri
>>>>>>>>>> sandhya,” he explained. “*This trikal sandhya cannot be
>>>>>>>>>> performed on a plane or ship; it must be done on the earth.” *Dr.
>>>>>>>>>> Ramana Dikshitulu does not specifically rule out “crossing” an 
>>>>>>>>>> ocean, for
>>>>>>>>>> he himself flies occasionally from Chennai to Kolkata, a flight 
>>>>>>>>>> which goes
>>>>>>>>>> out over the Bay of Bengal. But as that flight is only two hours 
>>>>>>>>>> long, he
>>>>>>>>>> does not miss his trikal sandhya as he would on a longer flight or a 
>>>>>>>>>> voyage
>>>>>>>>>> by ship, and he does not land outside India. *He was unaware of
>>>>>>>>>> any penance to offset crossing the ocean.*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>           Clearly the Dharma Shastras’ ban on ocean travel was
>>>>>>>>>> intended to maintain the religious strength and purity of the 
>>>>>>>>>> individual,
>>>>>>>>>> and to prevent negative external influence from non-Hindu cultures. 
>>>>>>>>>> Other
>>>>>>>>>> cultures had the same concern. One can note that the very word 
>>>>>>>>>> barbarian
>>>>>>>>>> (used to translate mleccha with a strongly negative connotation), 
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>> meant “foreigner,” in the original Greek, yet came to describe an
>>>>>>>>>> uncultured or brutish person. Baudhayana Sutra makes the point more 
>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>> once to delineate ancient India’s boundaries and declare it a sacred 
>>>>>>>>>> land
>>>>>>>>>> out of which one should not step
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *       Hence Nachiketa Vaisvanara concept  eduvated by Dharma
>>>>>>>>>> Raja applied to Brahmins who did not cross the ocean and for such 
>>>>>>>>>> alone ore
>>>>>>>>>> mazhai is possible. Brahadaranyaka Upanishad states as under: *
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> अयमाग्निर्वैश्वानरो योऽयमन्तः पुरुषे, येनेदमन्नं पच्यते
>>>>>>>>>> यदिदमद्यते; तस्यैष घोषो भवति यमेतत्कर्णावपिधाय शृणोति; स
>>>>>>>>>> यदोत्क्रमिष्यन्भवति नैनं घोषं शृणोति ॥ १ ॥
>>>>>>>>>> इति नवमं ब्राह्मणम् ॥
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ayamāgnirvaiśvānaro yo'yamantaḥ puruṣe, yenedamannaṃ pacyate
>>>>>>>>>> yadidamadyate; tasyaiṣa ghoṣo bhavati yametatkarṇāvapidhāya śṛṇoti; 
>>>>>>>>>> sa
>>>>>>>>>> yadotkramiṣyanbhavati nainaṃ ghoṣaṃ śṛṇoti || 1 ||
>>>>>>>>>> iti navamaṃ brāhmaṇam ||
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. This fire that is within a man and digests the food that is
>>>>>>>>>> eaten, is Vaiśvānara. It emits this sound that one hears by stopping 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> ears thus. When a man is about to leave the body, he no more hears 
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> sound.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is another meditation like the preceding ones. *This fire
>>>>>>>>>> is Vaiśvānara.* Which fire? This *that* is *within a man.* Is it
>>>>>>>>>> the element fire that is one of the components of the body? No, it 
>>>>>>>>>> is the
>>>>>>>>>> one called Vaiśvānara, which *digests the food.* Which food? The
>>>>>>>>>> food *that is eaten* by men. That is to say, the heat in the
>>>>>>>>>> stomach. For direct sign of it the text says: As that fire digests 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> food, *it emits this sound. *What is it? *That one hears by
>>>>>>>>>> stopping the ears thus,* with one’s fingers. The word ‘Etat’ is
>>>>>>>>>> an adverb (meaning ‘thus’). One should meditate upon that fire as
>>>>>>>>>> Vaiśvānara, or Virāj. Here too the result is identification with it.
>>>>>>>>>> Incidentally a death omen is being described: *(When a man,* the
>>>>>>>>>> experiencer in this body *is about to leave the body, he no more
>>>>>>>>>> hears this sound*.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> K RAJARAM  IRS   16 8 23
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