Great But what one now is what one then was ; stating in the reverse is hypocritic in my opinion Not in yours. You live your life and I live my life. All lead lives out of psychic pressures only thanks again for the revelations KR IRS 18 823
On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 at 19:31, Laxminarayan Sarma < [email protected]> wrote: > The subject of Taxes, for me, is as alien as amavasya is to Abdul Kader. I > am averse to asserting, repeatedly flauntiing my professional credentials, > rank , medals, and all that go with it. That's my private life, and i am > sure, is of no consequence to anyone. > > So I'd not talk about machine guns and howitzers, recce and tegiment. I > believe.One should be known for what one is, not for what one was. However > high, mighty, whatever rank or fesignation however big > > On Fri, 18 Aug, 2023, 6:39 pm Rajaram Krishnamurthy, < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you for your extreme thanks giving for all things done so far; as I >> told you I never do anything; nandrum theethum pirar thara vaara; after all >> your words if hurted you , it is my misfortune indeed; where indirect and >> direct taxes are not levied, CBDT does not interfere in anyone's affairs; >> thank you for the average relishments and highly appreciate your pruning >> hearings. Thanks again K R to LNS 123 upto infinity group and others >> >> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 at 17:03, Laxminarayan Sarma < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Most Respected Brahmasri Rajaram Krishnamurthy, IRS, *123* to *Infinity* >>> avargaley thank you for so obligingly spelling my name and surname the way >>> it should be spelled. However do me another favor: kindly oblige me by >>> de-fusing my name from my surname >>> Please do me another favour: kindly keep me out of your puerile >>> mud-sling match because I want none of it >>> >>> I strongly feel, no, I am sure you are averse to receiving even genuine >>> positives as can be evidenced from your derisive contemptuous reference to >>> my innocuous use of *kings English or queen's English *in paying >>> compliments to you. >>> >>> Once again, please cease making personal allusions to me. The wise step >>> will be in your own interest >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> , >>> please keep me out of your mud-sling >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 18 Aug, 2023, 2:31 pm Rajaram Krishnamurthy, < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sure colLaxminarayansarmaji. However issues I have told already do crop >>>> up when punches are formed by yourself. Do exclaim your friends by name; >>>> but writing Nethas etc do not point to them. So write boldly and take it >>>> back . What you pay so you receive sir. I never start anything but I do not >>>> allow weeds to grow under my feet. Even now you have not stated why seeking >>>> annas ,on a certain topic, remained silent even after seeing a part reply. >>>> So whereas the letters say neutral, punches are passed with favouritism. As >>>> long as you treat it as strict business I do not bother . So be may it be >>>> Whether Queen or King English sir Thank you KR IRS 18 823 >>>> >>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 at 11:39, Laxminarayan Sarma < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> KR-ji , you've now turned your guns at me. Never mind. I shall take >>>>> every whiplash from a lesrned, senior scholar like you as a lesson, a >>>>> blessing. >>>>> >>>>> But, with due respect, my knowledge of and command over the Queen's >>>>> English (now King's English), as compared to yours, is rudimentary, >>>>> almost >>>>> non-existent. As to my felicity with the keyboard of my Android, it is >>>>> lousy. Yiu will definitely appreciate that a hand that has wielded guns, >>>>> cannot be as delicate and supple as the one that has wielded high-end >>>>> pens...so it's obvious that I'm guilty of typos. >>>>> >>>>> *But i take care of one thing: spelling of names. The biggest >>>>> indignity, disrespect and insult you can inflict on a man is mis-spelling >>>>> his name. >>>>> >>>>> You're an erudite scholar treading the path of brahma shastras; not an >>>>> ordinary, uncouth, barely educated like me. Would respectfully suggest if >>>>> you please spare a few precious seconds of your precious time, you will >>>>> notice that i spell my surname *WITHOUT* an *H *! It is soelt *S-A-R-M-A >>>>> NOT * S-*H*-A-R-M-A >>>>> >>>>> *I sincerely trust you will kindly condescend to do me a great favour >>>>> by spelling my name correctly in your highly erudite scholarly treatisez >>>>> that you so obligingly post in the forum for the enlightment, education, >>>>> edification and, at times, entertainment of lesser mortals like this most >>>>> humble servant of yours* >>>>> >>>>> *Col. Laxminarayan SaRMA* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 18 Aug, 2023, 10:10 am Rajaram Krishnamurthy, < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I am ADDRESSING THIS IN RESPONSE TO LAKSHMINARAYANA SHARMAJI's >>>>>> satvika request. I ack but Mr Sharmaji are you doing this unilaterally or >>>>>> bilaterally? Impartially or partially? Is it because having read the >>>>>> whole >>>>>> episodes , right from the beginning, you felt your Annas are so honest >>>>>> purushas who are insulted by me or you feel that they can do anything >>>>>> but I >>>>>> have to remain silent? Than nenjarivadhu poyyarkka. When you wrote "NETAs >>>>>> should you not remember it does apply to you also sir? So if I write a >>>>>> 3rd >>>>>> rate material, keemayanam of Annadurai, will you all reply calmly without >>>>>> getting incited? Do not be smart as smarthas are long dead. Non-Niyathas >>>>>> cannot comment about the nethas. Do not worship humans; what bhagavatam >>>>>> speaks about how one dwija shaall react is: Mata pita guru deivam are >>>>>> worshipful; but throw them off if they go against the dharma and Vedas. >>>>>> If >>>>>> you refer you will find it by yourself. If you refer to your email when >>>>>> you wrote :"netha", can you spell properly the few words you wrote there? >>>>>> I am not at all jibing at you sir; I ignored them as it is common for >>>>>> all; >>>>>> but here I brought iti to your attention to explain the fellow to whom >>>>>> you >>>>>> are trying to defend here, writes such nonsense jibings but gets wild >>>>>> when >>>>>> cornered as his level is shallow, but I cannot pass as someone shall act >>>>>> as >>>>>> police or else thieves will plunder. Why did he not write about your >>>>>> wrong >>>>>> spellings?; because you are GOD? ; NO ; pancha tantra; even at 79 and 97. >>>>>> If your 88 wants to join them pl do so but be prepared to share the booty >>>>>> sir. You wrote one similar to your anna and what you got back and went >>>>>> silent. One who knows that he does not know is better. If you would like >>>>>> the relationship of Moodan and moorgan and the crocodiles as close, >>>>>> please >>>>>> have them and have a taste . But unless you are neutral and courageous >>>>>> enough to shut out all fronts please do not disturb annas. Have courage >>>>>> to >>>>>> fight then you are a Brahmin. Or else think so and lead your life in >>>>>> silence. Thank you sir KR IRS 18 8 23 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 22:01, Laxminarayan Sarma < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear RK , Loved your write-up. You write well .But would it be too >>>>>>> much to ask far if i request you to kindly confine to the subject . Not >>>>>>> detract from it by bringing in references to anybody. And, for heaven's >>>>>>> sake, please stop being disrespectful toeards the venerable 97 year old >>>>>>> gentleman..It goes against the tenets of Sanatana Dharma. The elderly >>>>>>> gentleman is a Father Figure to most of us, seen and experienced more of >>>>>>> the world. Regardless of snything, I would take it in my stride every >>>>>>> uttersnce of such an elderly gentleman as a blessing. That is what my >>>>>>> ancestors, my elders and my peers have yaught me. And i always abide by >>>>>>> what i have imbibed as part of my upbringing and culture. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, sir, kindly hold your horses.. Words spoken in haste will cause >>>>>>> us to repent at leisure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With respectful regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Laxminarayan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Aug, 2023, 6:33 pm 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123, < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Respected Mr Rajaram, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You may have hatred and anger, show it to your family members, not >>>>>>>> on me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It would not take much time to call you an idiot and fool. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But my culture does not permit to call you so. *You have no >>>>>>>> culture at all. You are unfit to be called a former IRS. * >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Next time you get anger show it your family members*. They will >>>>>>>> retard to you, at least ten times you are using including your grand >>>>>>>> kids. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is an upper limit to one's patience. Are you not ashamed to >>>>>>>> lower down to call another idiot and fool? Shame on you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gopalakrishan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, 17 August, 2023 at 01:33:57 pm IST, Rajaram >>>>>>>> Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As usual when Gopalakrishnan blabbers, and Narayanasamy naragal >>>>>>>> abuses without any knowledge of the subject, they will write either >>>>>>>> one to >>>>>>>> one or within iyer 123 with few members, out of which a few in >>>>>>>> conglomeration of their out focussed company. Gopalakrishnan always >>>>>>>> floundered down below the earth as he knew the route very well as he >>>>>>>> alone >>>>>>>> distinguished where is earth and where is hell south etc. That >>>>>>>> Gopalkrishna fool of an Ass did not understand, whether nachiketa >>>>>>>> going to >>>>>>>> hell is written by Narayanasamy or myself. That senile idiot of >>>>>>>> Singapore >>>>>>>> at 97 cannot distinguish the foreign on earth and the rest travel in >>>>>>>> space. >>>>>>>> For that Kid anything outside his bed is foreign so maybe it is. Hello >>>>>>>> Gopala, I know your knowledge is shallow. But your write up below >>>>>>>> south etc >>>>>>>> you should have learnt better. Where is the earth? Below Moon or SUN? >>>>>>>> Gopalakrishnan this map is for you ; find out up or down this earth >>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>> you live before going to foreign[below the earth]: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you know directions in space? [image: image.png] >>>>>>>> Kathopanishad etymology >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Katha (Sanskrit: कठ) literally means "distress". Katha is also the >>>>>>>> name of a sage, credited as the founder of a branch of the Krishna >>>>>>>> Yajur-veda, as well as the term for a female pupil or follower of >>>>>>>> Kathas >>>>>>>> school of Yajurveda. Katha Upanishad uses words that symbolically >>>>>>>> embed and >>>>>>>> creatively have multiple meanings. For example, a closely pronounced >>>>>>>> word >>>>>>>> *Katha* (Sanskrit: कथा) literally means "story, legend, >>>>>>>> conversation, speech, tale" All of these related meanings are relevant >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> the Katha Upanishad. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nachiketa, the boy and a central character in the Katha Upanishad >>>>>>>> legend, similarly, has closely related words with roots and meanings >>>>>>>> relevant to the text. The language Sanskrit, suggests *Na- kṣiti* >>>>>>>> and *Na- aksiyete*, which are word plays of and pronounced >>>>>>>> similar to Nachiketa, means "non-decay, or what does not decay", a >>>>>>>> meaning >>>>>>>> that is relevant to second boon portion of the Nachiketa story. >>>>>>>> Similarly, *Na- >>>>>>>> jiti* is another word play and means "that which cannot be >>>>>>>> vanquished", which is contextually relevant to the Nachiketa's third >>>>>>>> boon. Another variation to Nachiketa, with etymological roots that is >>>>>>>> relevant to Katha Upanishad: the word *Na-ciketa* also means "I do >>>>>>>> not know, or he does not know". Some of these Sanskrit word plays are >>>>>>>> incorporated within the Upanishads text. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Like Taittiriya Upanishad of Yajurveda, each section of the Katha >>>>>>>> Upanishad is called a *Valli* (वल्ली), which literally means a >>>>>>>> medicinal vine <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vine>-like climbing >>>>>>>> plant that grows independently yet is attached to a main tree. >>>>>>>> This symbolic terminology is apt and likely reflects the root and >>>>>>>> nature of >>>>>>>> the Upanishads in Black Yajur Veda, which too is largely independent >>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>> liturgical Yajur Veda, and is attached to the main text. THUS, HOW THE >>>>>>>> ELDERS INTERPRETED KATHOPANISHAD CAN BE SEEN FROM BANARSIDAS >>>>>>>> PUBLICATIONS. >>>>>>>> Out of wits in foreign land and those who think up and down to earth >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> foreign, will learn how a foreign mind can think from the elders’’ >>>>>>>> notes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Upanishad opens with the story of Vajasravasa, also >>>>>>>> called *Aruni Auddalaki Gautama*, who gives away all his worldly >>>>>>>> possessions. However, his son Nachiketa (Sanskrit: नचिकेता) sees >>>>>>>> the charitable sacrifice as a farce, because all those worldly >>>>>>>> things have already been used to exhaustion, and are of no value to the >>>>>>>> recipients. The cows given away, for example, were so old that they had >>>>>>>> 'drank-their-last-water' (पीतोदकाः), 'eaten-their-last-grass' ( >>>>>>>> जग्धतृणाः), 'don't give milk' (दुग्धदोहाः), 'who are barren' ( >>>>>>>> निरिन्द्रियाः). {KR All these words fit those think interpreting >>>>>>>> foreigners} [peethodaga, jagatthruna, nirindriya etc] Concerned, >>>>>>>> the son asks his father, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Dear father, to whom will you give me away?" >>>>>>>> He said it a second, and then a third time. >>>>>>>> The father, seized by anger, replied: "To Death, I give you away." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> — Nachiketa, Katha Upanishad, 1.1.1-1.1.4 >>>>>>>> [image: image.png][image: image.png] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kasmai mam dasyaSEETHI? IS THE QUESTION OF Nachiketa. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mrthyeva tva datam iti. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> HE IS GIVEN AS DATHAM BY FATHER TO YAMA; MEANING AS ANOTHER DEAD >>>>>>>> WOOD AS NACHIKETA THOUGHT THAT HIS FATHER IS GIVING AS GIFT ALL OLD >>>>>>>> USED >>>>>>>> ARTICLES. NACHIKETA DID NOT GO TO A FOREIGN AS DEFINED BY THE N AND G >>>>>>>> FOR COMMERCIAL >>>>>>>> PURPOSE; HE WAS THROWN OUT AS OLD ARTICLE AS GIFT BY HIS FATHER. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So karka kasadara and then write K R IRS 17 8 23 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 11:45, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Respected sir, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 15th August when he wrote Too my friends, and when I pointed out >>>>>>>> that it must be to , Mr Rajaram gave justification for using Too in >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>> response.Similarly for use of lose instead of lost he will respond >>>>>>>> with *justification >>>>>>>> for using lose*. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "travelling through *space *from bhoolokam to yamalokam?" - he has >>>>>>>> wrote. As per concept in Hinduism I understand Yamalokam is beneath >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> bhoolokam, how it will be above bhoolokam to travel through space? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Naraka (Sanskrit: नरक), also called Yamaloka, is the Hindu >>>>>>>> equivalent of Hell, where sinners are tormented after death. It is >>>>>>>> also the >>>>>>>> abode of Yama, the god of Death. It is described as located *in >>>>>>>> the south of the universe and beneath the earth*" as per *google >>>>>>>> search* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How space comes to the picture? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gopalakrishnan. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In addition some abusing as response to your questions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, 17 August, 2023 at 11:11:44 am IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear folks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> According to his own flawed reasoning:- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (1) did Nachiketass "lose caste" (whatever that idiotic phrase >>>>>>>> might mean) by travelling through space from bhoolokam to yamalokam? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (2) did reprobate renegade blasphemer and unschooled uneducated >>>>>>>> master-fibber K RAJARAM ex-IRS 16 8 23 "lose caste" similarly by >>>>>>>> travelling from India to Californuia, USA, and "lose caste" again >>>>>>>> irretrievably by travelling to Hawaii? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can he honestly and without prevarication, evasion and lying answer >>>>>>>> the following questions:- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (3) was he ever of the braahmana "caste" since he never underwent >>>>>>>> any of our samskaarams including jaatha karmam, naama karanam, >>>>>>>> anna-praashanam, chaulam, ear-piercimg, aayushya-homam, upanayanam, >>>>>>>> vivaaham? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (4) did he or did he not condemn, despise, denigrate, insult, >>>>>>>> discredit all vaadhyaars without whom he could not have any of these >>>>>>>> samskaarams performed? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (5) has he ever heard of the kriya called the vichinnaagni >>>>>>>> santhaanam? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (6) does he know why, by whom, and how it is performed? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (7) did he marry according to the rules prescribed for Brahmins and >>>>>>>> Hindus, involving the sapthapadi circumambulation of the agni, or did >>>>>>>> he do >>>>>>>> a prosaic civil act before a government officer such as an assistant >>>>>>>> registrar or a registrar and proceed to consummation? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (8) does he know what is the "naandi" ritual performed before >>>>>>>> upanayanam, vivaaham, shraaddham, shashti-abda-poorthi, and >>>>>>>> sathabhishekam? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (9) does he know by whom and for whom and why is it performed? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (10) does he know what is agnihothram? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (11) if so, which has he performed, and on what occasion? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 11:42 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Section IX - Meditation on the Vaisvanavara Fire >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chapter V >>>>>>>> <https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-brihadaranyaka-upanishad/d/doc122185.html> >>>>>>>> *Verse >>>>>>>> 5.9.1: Brahadaranyaka Upanishad* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kathopanishad Vaishvanaram verse of Nachiketa speaks about the >>>>>>>> yagnam the Vedic must perform, connecting his soul to the fire agni @ >>>>>>>> Vaisnavara=human Agni. Vedam oduvarrkku ore mazhai means the strict >>>>>>>> vediyar >>>>>>>> addicted to being a Brahmin. The Vaishvanaran who begets th fire on the >>>>>>>> Brahma yagnam, must preserve it till death when his atman gets >>>>>>>> purified by >>>>>>>> that Agni. Hence Crossing the ocean is prohibited for the tri varnas >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> especially to the true Brahmin. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The prohibition is clearly stated in several scriptures. The >>>>>>>> Baudhayana Sutra, one of the Hindu Dharma Shastras, says that “making >>>>>>>> voyages by sea” (II.1.2.2) is an offense which will cause >>>>>>>> pataniya, loss of caste. It offers a rather difficult penance: >>>>>>>> “They shall eat every fourth mealtime a little food, bathe at the time >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the three libations (morning, noon and evening), passing the day >>>>>>>> standing >>>>>>>> and the night sitting. After the lapse of three years, they throw off >>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>> guilt.” Harsha Ramamurthy in his erudite article on the issue, explains >>>>>>>> that, according to Baudhayana Sutra, the highest authority in deciding >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> question of dharma is shruti, our primary scriptures, the Vedas and >>>>>>>> Agamas. >>>>>>>> Next is the smriti, the secondary scriptures, which include the Dharma >>>>>>>> Shastras. Third is sampradaya, the teachings and practices of a >>>>>>>> specific >>>>>>>> lineage. He concludes, “ because of the bans in smriti and sampradaya, >>>>>>>> such >>>>>>>> travel is considered a banned activity.” He added that the ban applies >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> all three upper castes, and not just brahmins. It also applies to >>>>>>>> sannyasins, who–in his tradition–can only be from the brahmin caste. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why the ban? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the Baudhayana Sutra, the ban is discussed in the context of a >>>>>>>> description of the geographical limits of India which concludes that >>>>>>>> within >>>>>>>> its boundary “spiritual pre-eminence is found.” Generally, two reasons >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> given by scholars for the ban. The first is that it is impossible to >>>>>>>> maintain one’s required daily religious observances on a ship, >>>>>>>> particularly >>>>>>>> thrice-daily personal worship. The second is that one will incur the >>>>>>>> sin of >>>>>>>> mlecchas samparka, usually politely translated as mixing with >>>>>>>> foreigners. >>>>>>>> Mlecchas, however, is more accurately translated as “barbarian” or >>>>>>>> “savage.” “I am told,” he said, “that there is a penance to be >>>>>>>> performed >>>>>>>> when a sannyasin or priest crosses the ocean. The existence of this >>>>>>>> penance >>>>>>>> shows that as per the need and their own deeper vision, a sannyasin or >>>>>>>> priest can cross the ocean to preserve and make his mother religion >>>>>>>> flourish. *But this should not be done for any materialistic >>>>>>>> need.”* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dr. A.V. Ramana Dikshitulu, head priest of the Balaji Temple >>>>>>>> in Tirumala, one of India’s most respected and popular pilgrimage >>>>>>>> destinations, said, “None of our priests who serve in the main sanctum >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> cross the ocean. Neither I nor any member of my family have done so, >>>>>>>> despite lucrative offers from abroad. Serving the Lord here is most >>>>>>>> important to us. The Balaji Temple is governed by the Vaikhanasa >>>>>>>> Agama. It >>>>>>>> says that the people outside India are akin to mlecchas, barbarians, >>>>>>>> who do >>>>>>>> not follow any rules or code of conduct, and therefore it forbids >>>>>>>> visiting >>>>>>>> such places. These places have habits, food, relationships and other >>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>> which could make us corrupt and impure.” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sunrise, midday and sunset, called trikal gayatri >>>>>>>> sandhya,” he explained. “*This trikal sandhya cannot be performed >>>>>>>> on a plane or ship; it must be done on the earth.” *Dr. Ramana >>>>>>>> Dikshitulu does not specifically rule out “crossing” an ocean, for he >>>>>>>> himself flies occasionally from Chennai to Kolkata, a flight which >>>>>>>> goes out >>>>>>>> over the Bay of Bengal. But as that flight is only two hours long, he >>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>> not miss his trikal sandhya as he would on a longer flight or a voyage >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> ship, and he does not land outside India. *He was unaware of any >>>>>>>> penance to offset crossing the ocean.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Clearly the Dharma Shastras’ ban on ocean travel was >>>>>>>> intended to maintain the religious strength and purity of the >>>>>>>> individual, >>>>>>>> and to prevent negative external influence from non-Hindu cultures. >>>>>>>> Other >>>>>>>> cultures had the same concern. One can note that the very word >>>>>>>> barbarian >>>>>>>> (used to translate mleccha with a strongly negative connotation), just >>>>>>>> meant “foreigner,” in the original Greek, yet came to describe an >>>>>>>> uncultured or brutish person. Baudhayana Sutra makes the point more >>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>> once to delineate ancient India’s boundaries and declare it a sacred >>>>>>>> land >>>>>>>> out of which one should not step >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Hence Nachiketa Vaisvanara concept eduvated by Dharma Raja >>>>>>>> applied to Brahmins who did not cross the ocean and for such alone ore >>>>>>>> mazhai is possible. Brahadaranyaka Upanishad states as under: * >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> अयमाग्निर्वैश्वानरो योऽयमन्तः पुरुषे, येनेदमन्नं पच्यते यदिदमद्यते; >>>>>>>> तस्यैष घोषो भवति यमेतत्कर्णावपिधाय शृणोति; स यदोत्क्रमिष्यन्भवति >>>>>>>> नैनं घोषं शृणोति ॥ १ ॥ >>>>>>>> इति नवमं ब्राह्मणम् ॥ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ayamāgnirvaiśvānaro yo'yamantaḥ puruṣe, yenedamannaṃ pacyate >>>>>>>> yadidamadyate; tasyaiṣa ghoṣo bhavati yametatkarṇāvapidhāya śṛṇoti; sa >>>>>>>> yadotkramiṣyanbhavati nainaṃ ghoṣaṃ śṛṇoti || 1 || >>>>>>>> iti navamaṃ brāhmaṇam || >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. This fire that is within a man and digests the food that is >>>>>>>> eaten, is Vaiśvānara. It emits this sound that one hears by stopping >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> ears thus. When a man is about to leave the body, he no more hears this >>>>>>>> sound. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is another meditation like the preceding ones. *This fire is >>>>>>>> Vaiśvānara.* Which fire? This *that* is *within a man.* Is it the >>>>>>>> element fire that is one of the components of the body? No, it is the >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> called Vaiśvānara, which *digests the food.* Which food? The food *that >>>>>>>> is eaten* by men. That is to say, the heat in the stomach. For >>>>>>>> direct sign of it the text says: As that fire digests the food, *it >>>>>>>> emits this sound. *What is it? *That one hears by stopping the >>>>>>>> ears thus,* with one’s fingers. The word ‘Etat’ is an adverb >>>>>>>> (meaning ‘thus’). One should meditate upon that fire as Vaiśvānara, or >>>>>>>> Virāj. Here too the result is identification with it. 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