Respected sir,
Have you climbed Savanja peetam after Jagadguru Sankaracharya? Your arguing
is like that. I am ashamed about your writing ill about others. When will you
improve? Or never till your death.
Gopalakrishnan
On Friday, 18 August, 2023 at 01:47:51 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
<[email protected]> wrote:
Punnakku ppottapatya narayanasamy even now you write your MAMA shudra vachanas
only . You are capable of only abusing others; you do not know anything
originally about any veda, except your devasa , avani avittam mantras. Your
knowledge is zero big zero. You are a nut. Mega nut Shudras by living in a sin
city in the melecha country. Maybe a panchaman also. Your jalras may accompany
you as you have fooled them. No one thinks you are of elderly descent. Nor
Vedic brahman. Apasthamba, Bodayana sutrams had overthrown you out of board.
Keep crying with vugal words your exclusive knowledge of the Veda. 👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎🍭🍭🍭
On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 at 11:46, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear folks
Truckloads upon truckloads of male bovine excreta by the tons is all that
renegade blasphemer KR IRS 18 8 23 is able to produce to seduce the unwary into
following his miscegenated pseudo-philosophy of untruths, twisted quotes, and
outright lies.
The poor deluded aged insane idiot cannot even copy, much less spell, correctly
the name of his latest victim. He screams in block capitals LAKSHMINARAYANA
SHARMAJI.
Our polite genuine truth-seeker is Sri Laxminarayan Sarma.
The rapscallion knows nothing about thaiththireeya upanishad of yajur-vedam or
about katopanishad of the same vedam. His knowledge of Samskrutham is minus
zero.
He merely blunders on and thunders on in the false conviction that he is Adam,
Moses, Abraham, Jesus, Mohammad, Zarathusthra, Gauthama Buddha, Aadi
Shankaraachaarya, and Guru Nanak combined into a modern-day Dhruvan, the Pole
Star.
He preaches his poisonous sermons to Keralaiyers and to Thaaththaa-patti, since
his own illegitimate baby AARSE (anathema-adharma-sciencefiction-enterprise) is
floundering before sinking in the deep ocean of scorn and jeers. AND SPITTLE.
That is nude iraachaa iraamoo pandi-kutty in full stride.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 12:40 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
wrote:
I am ADDRESSING THIS IN RESPONSE TO LAKSHMINARAYANA SHARMAJI's satvika request.
I ack but Mr Sharmaji are you doing this unilaterally or bilaterally?
Impartially or partially? Is it because having read the whole episodes , right
from the beginning, you felt your Annas are so honest purushas who are insulted
by me or you feel that they can do anything but I have to remain silent? Than
nenjarivadhu poyyarkka. When you wrote "NETAs should you not remember it does
apply to you also sir? So if I write a 3rd rate material, keemayanam of
Annadurai, will you all reply calmly without getting incited? Do not be smart
as smarthas are long dead. Non-Niyathas cannot comment about the nethas. Do not
worship humans; what bhagavatam speaks about how one dwija shaall react is:
Mata pita guru deivam are worshipful; but throw them off if they go against the
dharma and Vedas. If you refer you will find it by yourself. If you refer to
your email when you wrote :"netha", can you spell properly the few words you
wrote there? I am not at all jibing at you sir; I ignored them as it is
common for all; but here I brought iti to your attention to explain the fellow
to whom you are trying to defend here, writes such nonsense jibings but gets
wild when cornered as his level is shallow, but I cannot pass as someone shall
act as police or else thieves will plunder. Why did he not write about your
wrong spellings?; because you are GOD? ; NO ; pancha tantra; even at 79 and 97.
If your 88 wants to join them pl do so but be prepared to share the booty sir.
You wrote one similar to your anna and what you got back and went silent. One
who knows that he does not know is better. If you would like the relationship
of Moodan and moorgan and the crocodiles as close, please have them and have a
taste . But unless you are neutral and courageous enough to shut out all fronts
please do not disturb annas. Have courage to fight then you are a Brahmin. Or
else think so and lead your life in silence. Thank you sir KR IRS 18 8 23
On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 22:01, Laxminarayan Sarma <[email protected]>
wrote:
Dear RK , Loved your write-up. You write well .But would it be too much to ask
far if i request you to kindly confine to the subject . Not detract from it by
bringing in references to anybody. And, for heaven's sake, please stop being
disrespectful toeards the venerable 97 year old gentleman..It goes against the
tenets of Sanatana Dharma. The elderly gentleman is a Father Figure to most of
us, seen and experienced more of the world. Regardless of snything, I would
take it in my stride every uttersnce of such an elderly gentleman as a
blessing. That is what my ancestors, my elders and my peers have yaught me. And
i always abide by what i have imbibed as part of my upbringing and culture.
So, sir, kindly hold your horses.. Words spoken in haste will cause us to
repent at leisure.
With respectful regards
Laxminarayan
On Thu, 17 Aug, 2023, 6:33 pm 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123,
<[email protected]> wrote:
Respected Mr Rajaram,
You may have hatred and anger, show it to your family members, not on me.
It would not take much time to call you an idiot and fool.
But my culture does not permit to call you so. You have no culture at all.
You are unfit to be called a former IRS.
Next time you get anger show it your family members. They will retard to you,
at least ten times you are using including your grand kids.
There is an upper limit to one's patience. Are you not ashamed to lower down to
call another idiot and fool? Shame on you.
Gopalakrishan
On Thursday, 17 August, 2023 at 01:33:57 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
<[email protected]> wrote:
As usual when Gopalakrishnan blabbers, and Narayanasamy naragal abuses without
any knowledge of the subject, they will write either one to one or within iyer
123 with few members, out of which a few in conglomeration of their out
focussed company. Gopalakrishnan always floundered down below the earth as he
knew the route very well as he alone distinguished where is earth and where is
hell south etc. That Gopalkrishna fool of an Ass did not understand, whether
nachiketa going to hell is written by Narayanasamy or myself. That senile idiot
of Singapore at 97 cannot distinguish the foreign on earth and the rest travel
in space. For that Kid anything outside his bed is foreign so maybe it is.
Hello Gopala, I know your knowledge is shallow. But your write up below south
etc you should have learnt better. Where is the earth? Below Moon or SUN?
Gopalakrishnan this map is for you ; find out up or down this earth where you
live before going to foreign[below the earth]: Do you know directions in space?
Kathopanishadetymology
Katha (Sanskrit: कठ) literally means "distress". Kathais also the name of a
sage, credited as the founder of a branch of the KrishnaYajur-veda, as well as
the term for a female pupil or follower of Kathas schoolof Yajurveda. Katha
Upanishad uses words that symbolically embed andcreatively have multiple
meanings. For example, a closely pronounced word Katha (Sanskrit:कथा)
literallymeans "story, legend, conversation, speech, tale" All of theserelated
meanings are relevant to the Katha Upanishad.
Nachiketa, the boy and a central character in the KathaUpanishad legend,
similarly, has closely related words with roots and meaningsrelevant to the
text. The language Sanskrit, suggests Na- kṣiti and Na-aksiyete, which are
word plays of and pronounced similar to Nachiketa,means "non-decay, or what
does not decay", a meaning that is relevantto second boon portion of the
Nachiketa story. Similarly, Na- jiti isanother word play and means "that which
cannot be vanquished", whichis contextually relevant to the Nachiketa's third
boon. Another variationto Nachiketa, with etymological roots that is relevant
to Katha Upanishad: theword Na-ciketa also means "I do not know, or he does
notknow". Some of these Sanskrit word plays are incorporated within
theUpanishads text.
Like Taittiriya Upanishad of Yajurveda, each section of theKatha Upanishad is
called a Valli (वल्ली),which literally means a medicinal vine-like
climbingplant that grows independently yet is attached to a main tree.
Thissymbolic terminology is apt and likely reflects the root and nature of
theUpanishads in Black Yajur Veda, which too is largely independent of the
liturgicalYajur Veda, and is attached to the main text. THUS, HOW THE ELDERS
INTERPRETEDKATHOPANISHAD CAN BE SEEN FROM BANARSIDAS PUBLICATIONS. Out of wits
in foreignland and those who think up and down to earth are foreign, will learn
how a foreignmind can think from the elders’’ notes.
The Upanishad opens with the story ofVajasravasa, also called Aruni
Auddalaki Gautama, who givesaway all his worldly possessions. However, his son
Nachiketa (Sanskrit: नचिकेता) sees the charitablesacrifice as a farce, because
all those worldly things have already beenused to exhaustion, and are of no
value to the recipients. The cows given away,for example, were so old that they
had 'drank-their-last-water' (पीतोदकाः),'eaten-their-last-grass' (जग्धतृणाः),
'don't give milk' (दुग्धदोहाः), 'whoare barren' (निरिन्द्रियाः). {KR All these
words fitthose think interpreting foreigners} [peethodaga, jagatthruna,
nirindriya etc] Concerned,the son asks his father,
"Dear father, to whom will you give me away?"
He said it a second, and then a third time.
The father, seized by anger, replied: "To Death, I give you away."
— Nachiketa, Katha Upanishad, 1.1.1-1.1.4
Kasmai mam dasyaSEETHI? IS THE QUESTION OF Nachiketa.
Mrthyeva tva datam iti.
HE ISGIVEN AS DATHAM BY FATHER TO YAMA; MEANING AS ANOTHER DEAD WOOD AS
NACHIKETATHOUGHT THAT HIS FATHER IS GIVING AS GIFT ALL OLD USED ARTICLES.
NACHIKETA DIDNOT GO TO A FOREIGN AS DEFINED BY THE N AND G FOR COMMERCIAL
PURPOSE; HE WASTHROWN OUT AS OLD ARTICLE AS GIFT BY HIS FATHER.
So karkakasadara and then write K R IRS 17 8 23
On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 11:45, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote:
Respected sir,
On 15th August when he wrote Too my friends, and when I pointed out that it
must be to , Mr Rajaram gave justification for using Too in his
response.Similarly for use of lose instead of lost he will respond with
justification for using lose.
"travelling through space from bhoolokam to yamalokam?" - he has wrote. As per
concept in Hinduism I understand Yamalokam is beneath the bhoolokam, how it
will be above bhoolokam to travel through space?
"Naraka (Sanskrit: नरक), also called Yamaloka, is the Hindu equivalent of Hell,
where sinners are tormented after death. It is also the abode of Yama, the god
of Death. It is described as located in the south of the universe and beneath
the earth" as per google search
How space comes to the picture?
Gopalakrishnan.
In addition some abusing as response to your questions.
On Thursday, 17 August, 2023 at 11:11:44 am IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear folks
According to his own flawed reasoning:-
(1) did Nachiketass "lose caste" (whatever that idiotic phrase might mean) by
travelling through space from bhoolokam to yamalokam?
(2) did reprobate renegade blasphemer and unschooled uneducated master-fibber K
RAJARAM ex-IRS 16 8 23 "lose caste" similarly by travelling from India to
Californuia, USA, and "lose caste" again irretrievably by travelling to Hawaii?
Can he honestly and without prevarication, evasion and lying answer the
following questions:-
(3) was he ever of the braahmana "caste" since he never underwent any of our
samskaarams including jaatha karmam, naama karanam, anna-praashanam, chaulam,
ear-piercimg, aayushya-homam, upanayanam, vivaaham?
(4) did he or did he not condemn, despise, denigrate, insult, discredit all
vaadhyaars without whom he could not have any of these samskaarams performed?
(5) has he ever heard of the kriya called the vichinnaagni santhaanam?
(6) does he know why, by whom, and how it is performed?
(7) did he marry according to the rules prescribed for Brahmins and Hindus,
involving the sapthapadi circumambulation of the agni, or did he do a prosaic
civil act before a government officer such as an assistant registrar or a
registrar and proceed to consummation?
(8) does he know what is the "naandi" ritual performed before upanayanam,
vivaaham, shraaddham, shashti-abda-poorthi, and sathabhishekam?
(9) does he know by whom and for whom and why is it performed?
(10) does he know what is agnihothram?
(11) if so, which has he performed, and on what occasion?
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 11:42 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
wrote:
SectionIX - Meditation on the Vaisvanavara Fire
ChapterV Verse 5.9.1: Brahadaranyaka Upanishad
KathopanishadVaishvanaram verse of Nachiketa speaks about the yagnam the Vedic
must perform,connecting his soul to the fire agni @ Vaisnavara=human Agni.
Vedam oduvarrkkuore mazhai means the strict vediyar addicted to being a
Brahmin. TheVaishvanaran who begets th fire on the Brahma yagnam, must preserve
it tilldeath when his atman gets purified by that Agni. Hence Crossing the
ocean isprohibited for the tri varnas and especially to the true Brahmin.
Theprohibition is clearly stated in several scriptures. The Baudhayana
Sutra, oneof the Hindu Dharma Shastras, says that “making voyages by sea”
(II.1.2.2) is anoffense which will cause pataniya, loss of caste. It offers a
rather difficult penance: “They shall eat every fourthmealtime a little food,
bathe at the time of the three libations (morning, noonand evening), passing
the day standing and the night sitting. After the lapseof three years, they
throw off their guilt.” Harsha Ramamurthy in his eruditearticle on the issue,
explains that, according to Baudhayana Sutra, the highestauthority in deciding
a question of dharma is shruti, our primary scriptures,the Vedas and Agamas.
Next is the smriti, the secondary scriptures, whichinclude the Dharma Shastras.
Third is sampradaya, the teachings and practicesof a specific lineage. He
concludes, “ because of the bans in smriti andsampradaya, such travel is
considered a banned activity.” He added that the banapplies to all three upper
castes, and not just brahmins. It also applies tosannyasins, who–in his
tradition–can only be from the brahmin caste.
Why theban?
In the Baudhayana Sutra, the ban is discussed inthe context of a description of
the geographical limits of India whichconcludes that within its boundary
“spiritual pre-eminence is found.”Generally, two reasons are given by scholars
for the ban. The first is that itis impossible to maintain one’s required daily
religious observances on a ship,particularly thrice-daily personal worship. The
second is that one will incurthe sin of mlecchas samparka, usually politely
translated as mixing withforeigners. Mlecchas, however, is more accurately
translated as “barbarian” or“savage.” “I am told,” he said, “that there is a
penance to be performed when asannyasin or priest crosses the ocean. The
existence of this penance shows thatas per the need and their own deeper
vision, a sannyasin or priest can crossthe ocean to preserve and make his
mother religion flourish. But this shouldnot be done for any materialistic
need.”
Dr. A.V.Ramana Dikshitulu, head priest of the Balaji Temple in Tirumala,
one of India’smost respected and popular pilgrimage destinations, said, “None
of our priestswho serve in the main sanctum can cross the ocean. Neither I nor
any member ofmy family have done so, despite lucrative offers from abroad.
Serving the Lordhere is most important to us. The Balaji Temple is governed by
the VaikhanasaAgama. It says that the people outside India are akin to
mlecchas, barbarians,who do not follow any rules or code of conduct, and
therefore it forbidsvisiting such places. These places have habits, food,
relationships and otherthings which could make us corrupt and impure.”
sunrise,midday and sunset, called trikal gayatri sandhya,” he
explained. “Thistrikal sandhya cannot be performed on a plane or ship; it must
be done on theearth.” Dr. Ramana Dikshitulu does not specifically rule out
“crossing” anocean, for he himself flies occasionally from Chennai to Kolkata,
a flightwhich goes out over the Bay of Bengal. But as that flight is only two
hourslong, he does not miss his trikal sandhya as he would on a longer flight
or avoyage by ship, and he does not land outside India. He was unaware of
anypenance to offset crossing the ocean.
Clearlythe Dharma Shastras’ ban on ocean travel was intended to
maintain the religiousstrength and purity of the individual, and to prevent
negative externalinfluence from non-Hindu cultures. Other cultures had the same
concern. One cannote that the very word barbarian (used to translate mleccha
with a stronglynegative connotation), just meant “foreigner,” in the original
Greek, yet cameto describe an uncultured or brutish person. Baudhayana Sutra
makes the pointmore than once to delineate ancient India’s boundaries and
declare it a sacredland out of which one should not step
HenceNachiketa Vaisvanara concept eduvated byDharma Raja applied to
Brahmins who did not cross the ocean and for such aloneore mazhai is possible.
Brahadaranyaka Upanishad states as under:
अयमाग्निर्वैश्वानरो योऽयमन्तः पुरुषे, येनेदमन्नं पच्यते यदिदमद्यते; तस्यैष घोषो
भवति यमेतत्कर्णावपिधाय शृणोति; स यदोत्क्रमिष्यन्भवति नैनं घोषं शृणोति ॥ १ ॥
इति नवमं ब्राह्मणम् ॥
ayamāgnirvaiśvānaro yo'yamantaḥ puruṣe,yenedamannaṃ pacyate yadidamadyate;
tasyaiṣa ghoṣo bhavatiyametatkarṇāvapidhāya śṛṇoti; sa yadotkramiṣyanbhavati
nainaṃ ghoṣaṃ śṛṇoti ||1 ||
iti navamaṃ brāhmaṇam ||
1. This fire that iswithin a man and digests the food that is eaten, is
Vaiśvānara. It emits thissound that one hears by stopping the ears thus. When a
man is about to leavethe body, he no more hears this sound.
Here is another meditation like the precedingones. This fire is Vaiśvānara.
Which fire? This that is withina man. Is it the element fire that is one of the
components of thebody? No, it is the one called Vaiśvānara, which digests the
food. Whichfood? The food that is eaten by men. That is to say, the heatin the
stomach. For direct sign of it the text says: As that fire digests thefood, it
emits this sound. What is it? That one hearsby stopping the ears thus, with
one’s fingers. The word ‘Etat’ is anadverb (meaning ‘thus’). One should
meditate upon that fire as Vaiśvānara, orVirāj. Here too the result is
identification with it. Incidentally a death omenis being described: (When a
man, the experiencer in thisbody is about to leave the body, he no more hears
this sound.
K RAJARAM IRS 16 8 23
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