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From: 'N Sekar' via iyer123 <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 11:43 AM
Subject: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: The Paradox of Fanatical Atheism
To: Rangarajan T.N.C. <[email protected]>, Iyer <
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Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu <[email protected]>, Chittanandam V. R. <
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Dear T N C R Sir,
Thanks but I have a slightly different view.
Nasthikas (*if you go by the D K and DMK fellows' definition*) say there is
no God at all - they don't restrict t to Vigrahams only - No God, period.
Kaduvul Illai (there is no God), and all other obnoxious statements are
inscribed wherever there is a statue of EVR.
Muslims are not nasthikas as they believe there is God but insist that
Allah is the ONLY God.
Christians have similar views about Christ.
What the Sickular crowd in India and overseas don't want to see is Hinduism
is the ONLY religion that says - There is God and you can worship Him / Her
in whatever Form you choose, not necessarily restricting it to Vighrahams
only. That's why we worship the Rivers, Trees (neem tree for example),
Mountains (Mt. Kailash) and also
parents, Gurus and even Guests (Athithi) (other religions ask us to respect
our parents but don't equate then to God)
Mathru Devo Bhava
Pithru Devo Bhava
Guru Devo Bhava
Athithi (guests) Devo Bhava
In spite of this we are called communal and others are supposed to be
secular
As someone said
Other religions have ONLY one road to reach God and that too in
Only One Direction.
We have several routes to take - both Horizonal and Vertical - 360
degrees.
Incidentally, if you follow the lectures on Vedanta they say Upanishads
talk about Brahman only and there was no mention of Siva, Vishnu and
others; they all came at a later date. In fact Surya, Agni precede the
Idols we worship now.
Also, we don't worship the Idols per se, but the Ideal (God) in them and we
see the Idols as representing the real God and hence we worship Him or Her
only, through the medium of the Idols (after consecration) , to enable the
mind to concentrate / focus on something concrete as it will be difficult
to do so on an abstract Brahman who has no Name or Form - No Nama, No Rupa.
Beauty of our religion is you may agree / disagree with what I have written
and still both of us respect each other's belief and don't fight saying I
alone am right. Yet, we are labelled as intolerant - travesty of Truth.
N Sekar
On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 09:43:18 AM GMT+4, 'gopala krishnan' via
KeralaIyers <[email protected]> wrote:
Respected sir,
Very correct. Similarly christians. They believe in Jesus.
Gopalakrishnan
On Saturday, 2 December, 2023 at 10:58:54 am IST, 'Rangarajan T.N.C.' via
Thatha_Patty <[email protected]> wrote:
I was told that nasthika means not accepting the existence of a deity in
the murthy. Asthika says asthi - meaning the deity is there and nasthika
says na asthi - it is not there. I don't think nasthika means that there is
no bhaghavan at all. Corrolory - muslims are nasthikas because they say
that allah cannot be depicted but agree that allah exists.
On Saturday, 2 December, 2023 at 10:39:30 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
[email protected]> wrote:
Fanatical atheism" typically refers to an extreme and uncompromising form
of atheism, where individuals vehemently reject the existence of any
deities or supernatural entities and actively oppose or criticize religious
beliefs. It's important to note that atheism itself is simply the lack of
belief in gods or deities, and not all atheists are fanatical or extreme in
their views.
Fanatical atheism might manifest as aggressive criticism of religion,
intolerance towards religious practices, and a strong commitment to
promoting secularism. It can sometimes be associated with anti-theism,
which goes beyond mere disbelief in gods to actively opposing the influence
of religion in society.
As with any belief system, it's essential to recognize that individuals
within a particular group can have a wide range of perspectives and
attitudes. Not all atheists hold fanatical views, and many engage in
respectful dialogue with people of different religious beliefs. As with any
worldview, it's important to approach discussions about atheism or religion
with an open mind and a willingness to engage in respectful and
constructive conversations.
In shadows deep, where reason reigns,
A whispered creed, unbound by chains. Fanatical atheism, bold and stark, A
skeptic's quest, in shadows dark.
No gods above to guide the way, No cosmic hand in night or day. The
skeptic's gaze, sharp and keen, In realms unseen, no gods are seen.
With logic's sword, they cut through mist, Dismiss the tales that preachers
twist. In fervent doubt, their minds take flight, Rejecting dogma,
embracing light.
No prayers ascend, no hymns resound, In reason's temple, truth is found.
The fanatical atheist stands tall, Against the gods, against the fall.
Yet in their passion, let them see, That empathy and grace can be. For
varied minds in this grand play, Each seeking truth in their own way.
Fanaticism, a double-edged sword, In skepticism, let love be stored. For in
the quest for what is true, May understanding bloom and grow. K Rajaram IRS
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 at 09:13
Subject: The Paradox of Fanatical Atheism
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*Mar*The Paradox of Fanatical Atheism
The day today culture of living standardizes the internal hormonal
communication created by the bloodstream.Today; machines determine and
govern our day today life. We no longer trust nature, and leave to nature
our living. We no longer understand by feeling nature directly as part of
nature. We have become the machine fanatics. We are loyal to Rene
Descartes, and treat every life form as an emotionless and feelings less
machine. Our hormonal communication is taken over by machines.
The paradox is while every organism is striving and struggling to live in
nature as nature, we the humans are trying to be machines, the Robots. It
appears that God is staying in every life form while the same God is
refusing to enter us. The pineal gland is not working, as God has vacated
it. Rene Descartes blundered, but his Cartesian approach, and mechanization
vandalizes, devastates and destroys nature. We have been cyborging nature
with industrialization, urbanization and with many technologies including
the GM intrusion into our foods.
Theism flowing from the Theosphere was part of the Troposphere. We breathed
belief in nature continuously, and breathing created and governed the
emotional routine of life.Nature, when free, flashed brilliant and
shattering revelations as enlightenments continuously. It took over the
hormonal communication of every organism, and created the grand
coordination of the hormonal communication of every organism. The Biosphere
functioned as one single organism. Every organism was a student in the
symbiotic learning from nature.
Nature was the ultimate college.God, the teacher could be smelt and
breathing was learning. As God partnered there was no need for any
definition and scope clutch. In fact one could start from anywhere without
beginning with definitions and scopes. Learning was participation in nature
as nature. Every organism joined the great college instantly after birth,
and there was no definition hurdle. One started without definitions, just
breathing was the start.
Now we have created the economic man, that Darwinian monster, fighting in
the Social Darwinism, to become the successful rogue. To be the economic
man he has taken to Atheism, the euphemism for mechanization of everything.
Can we remove emotions and emotional communication from our and also the
hormonal communications of all organisms of the Biosphere, without becoming
extinct? But the fanatical atheism that bludgeons mechanization and removal
of nature in every activity is now in terrible frenzy.
There is an urgent need to create areas where there is no technology at all
and where there is no economic tampering by humans. We are now confronting
the ultimate paradox, the Atheist who defends technology emotionally!
Robots are creating poems and songs, very precise, accurate etc where no
professional editor can change. But they do not touch our internal hormonal
communication. When machines do the loving and living for us atheistically,
where are we going and where is aesthetics?
YM
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