My perception is finally given; it short; a long view I have with me which
I have not proposed here:
Nāstika (नास्तिक).—a. (-kaḥ) [नास्ति परलोकस्तत्साधनमदृष्टं तत्साक्षीश्वरो वा
इति मतिरस्य ठन् (nāsti paralokastatsādhanamadṛṣṭaṃ tatsākṣīśvaro vā iti
matirasya ṭhan)] An atheist, unbeliever, *one who denies the authority of
the Vedas and a future life or the existence of a Supreme Ruler or Creator
of the Universe.\*
(Āstika and Nāstika)
Philosophy can be broadly defined as:
“Rational enquiry into the open nature of reality.[1]”.TMP Mahabevan
Man has been in eternal search of the ultimate truth. There are several
fundamental questions that have been of interest to the mankind. The search
for answers to such questions is ‘Philosophy’. It is a way of life. The
different systems of Philosophy in India are founded on mystical
experiences of the seers and sages.
Darśanas help open the third eye, eye of knowledge—jñānacakṣu
[=jñānacakṣus]. This deals with intuitive experiences. The different
schools of Indian Philosophy are different points of view from which
reality can be seen. Intuition brings an awareness of the divine reality as
the thing, directly known and experienced. Philosophy based on intuition is
not opposed to reason.
Indian schools of philosophy are mainly of two types:
Orthodox (āstika)
Heterodox (nāstika)
There are various meanings of the above classifications. Āstika may mean to
be -
One who believes in the life after death.
One who believes in the existence of ‘God’
One who believes in and accepts the authority of Vedas
Whereas, nāstika mean the opposite.
Orthodox (āstika):
The āstika system consists of six darśanas and they are:
nyāya,
vaiśeṣika,
sāṅkhya,
yoga,
mīmāṃsā and
vedānta.
Heterodox (nāstika):
The nāstika system consists of:
Cārvaka,
Bauddha and
Jaina.
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KR ARCHAMURTHY IDOL WORSHIP SINCE RIG VEDAM
उत त्यं चमसं नवं त्वष्टुर्देवस्य निष्कृतम् । अकर्त चतुरः पुनः ॥RV 1 20 6
uta tyaṃ camasaṃ navaṃ tvaṣṭur devasya niṣkṛtam | akarta caturaḥ punaḥ ||
“The Ṛbhus have divided unto four the new ladle, the work of the divine
Tvaṣṭā (i.e. devasambandhiḥ takṣana.vyāpāraḥ = divinity whose duty in
relations to gods is carpentry; cf. tvaṣṭā tvaṣṭuḥ śiṣyāḥ Ṛbhavaḥ = Ṛbhus
are the disciples of Tvaṣṭā; four ladles are an apparent reference to an
innovation in the objects of libation for sharing).”
Commentary by Sāyaṇa: Ṛgveda-bhāṣya
Tvaṣṭā is the artisan of the gods; he is a divinity whose duty is
carpentry, with relation to the gods It means that idol was made even in
Rigvedic period; so, in one way, I surmise that (without meaning any
offence to Sri Ramanujar) Ramanuja is also an atheist as he went against
the Veda in many places including in his treatises; and though Vaishnavism
existed since Rig Vedic period, projected an image of a new way of bhakti
worship. The MURTHY worship was in existence long back, as seen even in
Ramayanam period; so, revival of archa-Murthi by Ramanujar is vague
history. Of course, Tamil Bhakthi verses movements and deep Vaishnavism
against the siavaites were historical factors. ASTHI and NA+ ASTHI are
simple terms of existence and non-existence of the VEDAS AND RESOUNDING
CULTURE. Buddhism, Jainism and greatly Vaishnavism reacted different from
VEDAS.
Buddhism believed as Charawaka, life and living happily alone is
truth; live happily ever after is the motto; there is no God; there is no
after life; VEDAs are unreal. Jainism followed suit. However, Vaishnavism,
proposed by Sri Ramanujar was based only on Bhakthi. Vedi Rituals, Vedic
yagnas Vedic practices, advaithic principles are not required; but Bhakthi
and saranagati are the only way to go nearer to Vishnu; this would float a
principle that God is different and Bhakthan is different; yet becoming the
servants to GOD as Bhagavatha since unite God and people they are one.
Visishta Dvaitham. ONE YET DIFFERENT OR DIFFERENT YET ONE. BHAGAVATHAS MUST
BE WORSHIPPED AND RESPECTED. In this sarva jana worship was inculcated as
if Vedas did divide so long. Vedas said all are equal. But the
promulgations of Sri Ramanuja , projected a different image from being
Vedic; Nalayira divya Prabandam was made a new Vedam. By sastra
definitions, all these religions are also Nasthika. But Muslims and
Christians are different as Mlecchas and Nasthika as per refusal to accept
the Vedas. Since Vedas speak high of Brahmam only , denial of Brahmam is
denial of GOD manifested from the Brahmam and hence they are all atheist.
Non believers of the existence is atheists. K Rajaram IRS 2 12 23
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I was told that nasthika means not accepting the existence of a deity in
the murthy. Asthika says asthi - meaning the deity is there and nasthika
says na asthi - it is not there. I don't think nasthika means that there is
no bhaghavan at all. Corrolory - muslims are nasthikas because they say
that allah cannot be depicted but agree that allah exists.
On Saturday, 2 December, 2023 at 10:39:30 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
[email protected]> wrote:
Fanatical atheism" typically refers to an extreme and uncompromising form
of atheism, where individuals vehemently reject the existence of any
deities or supernatural entities and actively oppose or criticize religious
beliefs. It's important to note that atheism itself is simply the lack of
belief in gods or deities, and not all atheists are fanatical or extreme in
their views.
Fanatical atheism might manifest as aggressive criticism of religion,
intolerance towards religious practices, and a strong commitment to
promoting secularism. It can sometimes be associated with anti-theism,
which goes beyond mere disbelief in gods to actively opposing the influence
of religion in society.
As with any belief system, it's essential to recognize that individuals
within a particular group can have a wide range of perspectives and
attitudes. Not all atheists hold fanatical views, and many engage in
respectful dialogue with people of different religious beliefs. As with any
worldview, it's important to approach discussions about atheism or religion
with an open mind and a willingness to engage in respectful and
constructive conversations.
In shadows deep, where reason reigns,
A whispered creed, unbound by chains. Fanatical atheism, bold and stark, A
skeptic's quest, in shadows dark.
No gods above to guide the way, No cosmic hand in night or day. The
skeptic's gaze, sharp and keen, In realms unseen, no gods are seen.
With logic's sword, they cut through mist, Dismiss the tales that preachers
twist. In fervent doubt, their minds take flight, Rejecting dogma,
embracing light.
No prayers ascend, no hymns resound, In reason's temple, truth is found.
The fanatical atheist stands tall, Against the gods, against the fall.
Yet in their passion, let them see, That empathy and grace can be. For
varied minds in this grand play, Each seeking truth in their own way.
Fanaticism, a double-edged sword, In skepticism, let love be stored. For in
the quest for what is true, May understanding bloom and grow. K Rajaram IRS
2 12 23
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*Mar*The Paradox of Fanatical Atheism
The day today culture of living standardizes the internal hormonal
communication created by the bloodstream.Today; machines determine and
govern our day today life. We no longer trust nature, and leave to nature
our living. We no longer understand by feeling nature directly as part of
nature. We have become the machine fanatics. We are loyal to Rene
Descartes, and treat every life form as an emotionless and feelings less
machine. Our hormonal communication is taken over by machines.
The paradox is while every organism is striving and struggling to live in
nature as nature, we the humans are trying to be machines, the Robots. It
appears that God is staying in every life form while the same God is
refusing to enter us. The pineal gland is not working, as God has vacated
it. Rene Descartes blundered, but his Cartesian approach, and mechanization
vandalizes, devastates and destroys nature. We have been cyborging nature
with industrialization, urbanization and with many technologies including
the GM intrusion into our foods.
Theism flowing from the Theosphere was part of the Troposphere. We breathed
belief in nature continuously, and breathing created and governed the
emotional routine of life.Nature, when free, flashed brilliant and
shattering revelations as enlightenments continuously. It took over the
hormonal communication of every organism, and created the grand
coordination of the hormonal communication of every organism. The Biosphere
functioned as one single organism. Every organism was a student in the
symbiotic learning from nature.
Nature was the ultimate college.God, the teacher could be smelt and
breathing was learning. As God partnered there was no need for any
definition and scope clutch. In fact one could start from anywhere without
beginning with definitions and scopes. Learning was participation in nature
as nature. Every organism joined the great college instantly after birth,
and there was no definition hurdle. One started without definitions, just
breathing was the start.
Now we have created the economic man, that Darwinian monster, fighting in
the Social Darwinism, to become the successful rogue. To be the economic
man he has taken to Atheism, the euphemism for mechanization of everything.
Can we remove emotions and emotional communication from our and also the
hormonal communications of all organisms of the Biosphere, without becoming
extinct? But the fanatical atheism that bludgeons mechanization and removal
of nature in every activity is now in terrible frenzy.
There is an urgent need to create areas where there is no technology at all
and where there is no economic tampering by humans. We are now confronting
the ultimate paradox, the Atheist who defends technology emotionally!
Robots are creating poems and songs, very precise, accurate etc where no
professional editor can change. But they do not touch our internal hormonal
communication. When machines do the loving and living for us atheistically,
where are we going and where is aesthetics?
YM
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