As it is the 3D shapes happen only on the surface of the earth because of our eyes.When analyzed everything becomes the formless energy,the spell binding energy,where there is no shape.That is what I think they mean by Allah,where you must train your feeling to feel the ultimate formless.I know very little in this matter. We Hindus adore Idols,Idols sculpted by great sculptors who sculpted because of their fervour of belief. YM
On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 1:14 PM Narayanaswamy Sekar <[email protected]> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: 'N Sekar' via iyer123 <[email protected]> > Date: Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 11:43 AM > Subject: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: The Paradox of Fanatical Atheism > To: Rangarajan T.N.C. <[email protected]>, Iyer < > [email protected]>, Kerala Iyer <[email protected]>, > Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu <[email protected]>, Chittanandam V. R. < > [email protected]>, Mathangi K. Kumar <[email protected]>, > Srinivasan Sridharan <[email protected]> > > > Dear T N C R Sir, > > Thanks but I have a slightly different view. > > Nasthikas (*if you go by the D K and DMK fellows' definition*) say there > is no God at all - they don't restrict t to Vigrahams only - No God, period. > > Kaduvul Illai (there is no God), and all other obnoxious statements are > inscribed wherever there is a statue of EVR. > > Muslims are not nasthikas as they believe there is God but insist that > Allah is the ONLY God. > > Christians have similar views about Christ. > > What the Sickular crowd in India and overseas don't want to see is > Hinduism is the ONLY religion that says - There is God and you can worship > Him / Her in whatever Form you choose, not necessarily restricting it to > Vighrahams only. That's why we worship the Rivers, Trees (neem tree for > example), Mountains (Mt. Kailash) and also > > parents, Gurus and even Guests (Athithi) (other religions ask us to > respect our parents but don't equate then to God) > > Mathru Devo Bhava > Pithru Devo Bhava > Guru Devo Bhava > Athithi (guests) Devo Bhava > > In spite of this we are called communal and others are supposed to be > secular > > As someone said > > Other religions have ONLY one road to reach God and that too in > Only One Direction. > > We have several routes to take - both Horizonal and Vertical - 360 > degrees. > > Incidentally, if you follow the lectures on Vedanta they say Upanishads > talk about Brahman only and there was no mention of Siva, Vishnu and > others; they all came at a later date. In fact Surya, Agni precede the > Idols we worship now. > > Also, we don't worship the Idols per se, but the Ideal (God) in them and > we see the Idols as representing the real God and hence we worship Him or > Her only, through the medium of the Idols (after consecration) , to enable > the mind to concentrate / focus on something concrete as it will be > difficult to do so on an abstract Brahman who has no Name or Form - No > Nama, No Rupa. > > Beauty of our religion is you may agree / disagree with what I have > written and still both of us respect each other's belief and don't fight > saying I alone am right. Yet, we are labelled as intolerant - travesty of > Truth. > > N Sekar > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 09:43:18 AM GMT+4, 'gopala krishnan' via > KeralaIyers <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Respected sir, > > Very correct. Similarly christians. They believe in Jesus. > Gopalakrishnan > > On Saturday, 2 December, 2023 at 10:58:54 am IST, 'Rangarajan T.N.C.' via > Thatha_Patty <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I was told that nasthika means not accepting the existence of a deity in > the murthy. Asthika says asthi - meaning the deity is there and nasthika > says na asthi - it is not there. I don't think nasthika means that there is > no bhaghavan at all. Corrolory - muslims are nasthikas because they say > that allah cannot be depicted but agree that allah exists. > > On Saturday, 2 December, 2023 at 10:39:30 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Fanatical atheism" typically refers to an extreme and uncompromising form > of atheism, where individuals vehemently reject the existence of any > deities or supernatural entities and actively oppose or criticize religious > beliefs. It's important to note that atheism itself is simply the lack of > belief in gods or deities, and not all atheists are fanatical or extreme in > their views. > > Fanatical atheism might manifest as aggressive criticism of religion, > intolerance towards religious practices, and a strong commitment to > promoting secularism. It can sometimes be associated with anti-theism, > which goes beyond mere disbelief in gods to actively opposing the influence > of religion in society. > > As with any belief system, it's essential to recognize that individuals > within a particular group can have a wide range of perspectives and > attitudes. Not all atheists hold fanatical views, and many engage in > respectful dialogue with people of different religious beliefs. As with any > worldview, it's important to approach discussions about atheism or religion > with an open mind and a willingness to engage in respectful and > constructive conversations. > > In shadows deep, where reason reigns, > > A whispered creed, unbound by chains. Fanatical atheism, bold and stark, A > skeptic's quest, in shadows dark. > > No gods above to guide the way, No cosmic hand in night or day. The > skeptic's gaze, sharp and keen, In realms unseen, no gods are seen. > > With logic's sword, they cut through mist, Dismiss the tales that > preachers twist. In fervent doubt, their minds take flight, Rejecting > dogma, embracing light. > > No prayers ascend, no hymns resound, In reason's temple, truth is found. > The fanatical atheist stands tall, Against the gods, against the fall. > > Yet in their passion, let them see, That empathy and grace can be. For > varied minds in this grand play, Each seeking truth in their own way. > > Fanaticism, a double-edged sword, In skepticism, let love be stored. For > in the quest for what is true, May understanding bloom and grow. K Rajaram > IRS 2 12 23 > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *Markendeya Yeddanapudi* <[email protected]> > Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 at 09:13 > Subject: The Paradox of Fanatical Atheism > To: ggroup <[email protected]>, thatha patty < > [email protected]>, <[email protected]>, > Satyanarayana Kunamneni <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, > viswanatham vangapally <[email protected]>, Kunamneni > Satyanarayana <[email protected]>, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]>, Ramamurti PV <[email protected]>, Rangarajan > T.N.C. <[email protected]>, Ramu S <[email protected]>, Deepali > Hadker <[email protected]>, Krishnamacharyulu Nanduri < > [email protected]> > > > > > -- > *Mar*The Paradox of Fanatical Atheism > > > > The day today culture of living standardizes the internal hormonal > communication created by the bloodstream.Today; machines determine and > govern our day today life. We no longer trust nature, and leave to nature > our living. We no longer understand by feeling nature directly as part of > nature. We have become the machine fanatics. We are loyal to Rene > Descartes, and treat every life form as an emotionless and feelings less > machine. Our hormonal communication is taken over by machines. > > The paradox is while every organism is striving and struggling to live in > nature as nature, we the humans are trying to be machines, the Robots. It > appears that God is staying in every life form while the same God is > refusing to enter us. The pineal gland is not working, as God has vacated > it. Rene Descartes blundered, but his Cartesian approach, and mechanization > vandalizes, devastates and destroys nature. We have been cyborging nature > with industrialization, urbanization and with many technologies including > the GM intrusion into our foods. > > Theism flowing from the Theosphere was part of the Troposphere. We > breathed belief in nature continuously, and breathing created and governed > the emotional routine of life.Nature, when free, flashed brilliant and > shattering revelations as enlightenments continuously. It took over the > hormonal communication of every organism, and created the grand > coordination of the hormonal communication of every organism. The Biosphere > functioned as one single organism. Every organism was a student in the > symbiotic learning from nature. > > Nature was the ultimate college.God, the teacher could be smelt and > breathing was learning. As God partnered there was no need for any > definition and scope clutch. In fact one could start from anywhere without > beginning with definitions and scopes. Learning was participation in nature > as nature. Every organism joined the great college instantly after birth, > and there was no definition hurdle. One started without definitions, just > breathing was the start. > > Now we have created the economic man, that Darwinian monster, fighting in > the Social Darwinism, to become the successful rogue. To be the economic > man he has taken to Atheism, the euphemism for mechanization of everything. > > Can we remove emotions and emotional communication from our and also the > hormonal communications of all organisms of the Biosphere, without becoming > extinct? But the fanatical atheism that bludgeons mechanization and removal > of nature in every activity is now in terrible frenzy. > > There is an urgent need to create areas where there is no technology at > all and where there is no economic tampering by humans. We are now > confronting the ultimate paradox, the Atheist who defends technology > emotionally! > > Robots are creating poems and songs, very precise, accurate etc where no > professional editor can change. But they do not touch our internal hormonal > communication. 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