Dear Mr Sekar,
I understand what you meant by equality. Fine.
Life is changing . So somewhat for present day the words of Kanchi periyavar
can be considered as Vedavakyam. So I quoted Deivathin kural. My point was as
told by him, caste is by Birth and not by deeds in the present janma.
Perhaps all heads of mutts refrained from presenting at the pranaprathishta at
Ayodhya since they would have desired to be done by a Brahmin, but kept
silent. Do not ask me what efforts they took for having a Sri Rama temple at
Ayodhya.
I do not deny that any person can install an idol and worship, best example is
the ORIGINAL Sabarimala temple. In Pallikkaranai there is a Devi temple
conducted by only women in Chennai.
A lot of temples are there in Kerala where other community priests enter
Garbhagriha and perform pooja after proper Induction and studies and upanayana
by proper authorities.
Many temples in Kerala are installed by sage Parasurama, a Kshathriya. Many
Devi temples are having priests from communities other than Brahmins... So
pranaprathishta can be done by any. I accept. Regarding methods , days are
changing. Modus operandi changes with years. We have to accept changes. ...
What I cannot understand is every 25 years again and again extending the
reservation without looking for their social status. What I mean is for an I A
S examination, a reserved candidate is having chances in reservation and in
community. An I A S officer from a reserved community is having better status
and his children can compete in both quotas, depriving the forward community's
chances. Such things are to be stopped.
Gopalakrishnan
On Wednesday, 24 January, 2024 at 04:51:25 pm IST, 'N Sekar' via
KeralaIyers <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks Sri G K.
Equality does not mean everyone should be of the same standard - physically,
materially, financially etc.
It does not also mean that everyone should be reduced to the lowest common
denominator.
It just means we treat all as human beings and extend the courticies to them as
we would expect them to do to us. Basic courtesy and Decency in treating all is
all that it means.
Yes we have hierarchies in the office but that does not give us the right to
treat our subordinates as your slaves. Everyone craves for dignity and respect
and we should recognize that fact.
" Do unto others as what you would have them do unto you" Is the maxim any
cultured and civilized person is expected to follow.
Even in the Mahabharata we have the story of how Durupathan insulted Drona (
asking Drona how a poor brahmin can claim to be friends with a king like
Durupatha) and the consequences.
Arrogance leads to downfall sooner or later.
It is worth remembering Satya Sai Bagahwan's words " End of Education is
Humility".
Re: why we have reservations, the short answer is " Affirmative Action" is a
pre requisite to uplift the unfortunate, poorer sections of society. But
unfortunately it has degenerated into caste issues in our country and no party
dare touch it lest the affected section changes its votes - Vote bank politics
in different forms and shapes and colors. We can't deny though that some
sections of the society were oppressed and suppressed and the inevitable
backlash is more than one expected. That's why 10% reservation for the poor so
called upper class is a welcome step. Poverty knows no caste or religion.
N Sekar
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:39 AM, 'gopala krishnan' via
KeralaIyers<[email protected]> wrote: Dear Mr Sekar,
I forgot to add one thing. I have read else where Gayathree manthra was there
already, Sage Viswamithra put it in a new chandas.
All sages had rivalries between them, sage Brahaspathi, and sage Sukra are
examples . Sage Viswamithra had pride . It made him Rajarshi, and he became
Devarshi after loosing his pride.
On Wednesday, 24 January, 2024 at 10:32:29 am IST, 'gopala krishnan' via
iyer123 <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Mr Sekar,
I have gone through your response.
In that case why the Government of India still follows caste and religion?
Even after 76 years why the Government of India still keeps reservation for BC,
SC and ST for concessions and reservations?
Even with in the religion why difference between castes?
If all are humans and equal, (It should be) all the above and many more are to
be changed.
As homo sapiens, by nature it is very difficult to change animal qualities with
in all of us. These animal qualities are responsible for all the problems in
the world/countries/ states/ among people.
One person feels he is superior. Another's views are ignored. There is no
tolerance. Then only equality.
I recollect an incidence from Ramayana. I cannot quote sarga /kanda. Once
Seetha devi asked Sri Rama why people are not made equal. I desire so. Sri Rama
with a smile made every body equal. Different sects of people forgot their
duties. They simply enjoyed life.
A leakage occurred in the palace. A search was made. No masons to attend. Sita
understood the folly. Sri Rama changed the maya created. Masons appeared.
Immediately the leakage was attended to.
So I feel we can have some sort of equality in standard of living, not fully. I
have read articles about present day Russia, still there are catagories of
people doing different works, the person doing menial jobs may have better
standard of living than one do red collar jobs or ordinary jobs.
Gopalakrishnan
On Wednesday, 24 January, 2024 at 09:28:27 am IST, 'N Sekar' via
KeralaIyers <[email protected]> wrote:
Thank you both Sri G K and Sri Sridharan and a couple of others who did not cc
the group for reasons all well known. At least they responded.
Without elaborating ( as it will be found sensitive and will touch raw nerves)
let me just say - based on my knowledge gained from reading, listening to and
my own reflection of what I read and listened to.
I understand there will be different opinions BUT I strongly feel all of us are
humans and hence deserve to be treated as such - there is no question of
superiority or inferiority.
Each of us have a job to do and let us do it. There is something called "
Dignity of Labour".
Also, different sects follow different customs and we can't judge others by
what we do.
Let us do what we do and let them do what they do. Who are we to dictate to
others and impose our practices on others esp because none of us ( in a general
sense) contributed anything in the struggle of 500 years - we may have sent
donations to the Trust as I have, BUT that is not equal to the struggles they
had put up - just watch the dead bodies of the kar sevaks bring pulled up /
dragged from the Sarayu river and you will realize the price they had paid.
Whether what they did was right or wrong is for another day- they felt
suppressed by the invaders and then by our own sicular crowd who will not
hesitate to sell the Nation for a few votes - and that crowd includes the so
called brahmins.
So they are fully entitled to decide where, when and how the ceremonies will be
conducted and by who. It is their customs and we are outsiders as far as their
practices go. If we don't like what they do let us not witness or visit them -
nobody compelled any one else.
Will we tolerate if they come and tell us how to do Kumbabhidhekam on our
temples? If the answer is No then let us not comment on their practices.
So let us not interfere with what is essentially their function - they toiled
for it, paid for it with their lives even, and let them garner all the glory
that is legitimately theirs.
Just leave them alone.
We are just not entitled to pass critical remarks without contributing anything.
Let us remember that the paths we take may differ but ultimately the
Destination is the same. Methods differ but Purpose is One.
I again repeat- I prostrate a thousand times to all those responsible for this
magnificent Temple, reflecting our glorious heritage, and that includes all the
Kar Sevaks who gave their lives. Day before yesterday when I was watching it I
prayed for their souls and lovingly and respectfully remembered them.
Just a couple of remarks on your two mails.
1. Varnas and not Jathis, are based on one's occupation and is not by
birth.If it is by birth then the Greatest Mantra - Mother of All Mantras,
Gayathri Mantra, was actually given by a Kshahtriya called Viswamitra who
through TAPAS, AND NOT BY BIRTH, became a Brahma Rishi and is now addressed
respectfully as Sage Vuswamitra.
2. If, for argument's sake, just for argument's sake, we consider the 4th
varna as coming from His Feet ( while some claim superiority because they think
they came from HIS FACE), then let me point out
In the Vishnu Temples the "Sadari" that we so respectfully and with devotion
accept to be placed on our heads represents HIS FEET.
So if we claim the 4th Varna came from His Feet, it is those Feet that we
willingly place on our heads.
It was Rama's Padhukas that ruled Ayodhya for 14 years and not a replica of His
Face.
Need I say more?
I will stop here sir as I know arguments are futile. I believe strongly in
Karma and hence I would not demean anyone. Who knows what we were in our
previous births and what we will be in our next?
I feel it is in all our interest toGive respect and Get Respected. "You get
what you give" and so let us take care in what we give.
Regards
N Sekar
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On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 7:56 AM, gopala krishnan<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Mr Sekar,
Since you provided copy to groups on your response to the mail on the above
topic from Mr Narayanaswamy, I felt I may express a few thoughts came to me on
reading it.
I was getting mails from Kanchimatam as Deivathin kural during 1998's. I
recollect Periyavar stating birth is by caste and not by actions. By actions a
Kshathriya or Vaisya can become equal to a brahmin and in next birth, he will
be born in a brahmin family.
A soodra may become equal to a Vaisya or Kshathriya or Brahmin by his noble
actions, and born in such a family in his next birth.
He stated Brahmins going away from their duties, not that because of such going
away, Brahmins have become other castes because of the above.
If I am wrong, you may express your opinion.
Gopalakrishnan
I understand during Thretha yuga only Hinduism was there with castes.
Irrespective of caste, Lord Vishnu had his incarnation in different castes and
actually incarnation was felt not during their life period.
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