Gopalakrishnan either you are a cheat or u r trying all kinds of tricks to be always evasive. My question simply to you , is, what bothers you what I use as my stamp? Who the hell are you to write ex IRS or Y Irs etc? it is none of your business. Who are you? That is my question. And who are you to comment about my IRS or English or Tamil or anything? Who the hell are you? That you never answered. When you intrude in my privacy you have to suffer END. I will not refrain from or stay off etc.Sivaraman did not read all your pathos, green messages. When some croon writes about my mother all are only bastards as it is my retort. Stay off looking after your business within the content area then the front will be quiet. Don't act too smart. Mani was also writing about you and now perhaps got fed up. So know your limit and circle. You are no one to me as I am to you END KR IRS 28124
On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 at 18:38, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: > *Respected Mr Rajaram,* > > *Since you are defending what you wrote is correct-Just because I wrote > former IRS, you wrote bogus ITS.* > > > *Are you not a former IRS? What is wrong in my writing so? * > > > *Just because I wrote former IRS , you wrote Bogus ITS? * > > *Are you mentally OK?. Better see a good doctor instead of writing again > and again foolish things in the forum. * > > *Please don't make me write bogus IRS. * > > *Always you are defending nature. Mr Sivaraman former IAS wrote to you > not to use "bastard" in your mails, after observing you were frequently > using it. I read your mail justifying it to him. * > > > *No mentally alright persons will do these type of things. * > > > *There is no wonder everyday again and again, you try to defend, and > getting more and more kicks. * > > > *Are you not ashamed still you are barred from posting in iyer123 group?* > > Gopalakrishnan > > On Sunday, 28 January, 2024 at 09:24:53 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Mr Gopalakrishnan is not only a stupid, brainless and visionless, but > also partial forcing himself with the Duryodhanas. How blatantly he lies > before Sekar? He writes diplomatically, trying to impress others, LN Sarma > writes only because I do write which is not only a lie but > misrepresentation. I hit whenever they appear with words of abuse TIT FOR > TAT. Whenever they are silent, I will never open anything at all. But the > three idiots always have nothing in content and feels cornered ashamedly, > and only tool they have is writing abuses one after the other within a > small group so that others may not be aware of it. Clever stooges. So only > I present them to all so that every one knows their standards and by this > time many would have known which twig is causing the tether. One idiot as > partial as G pulled out the wrong twig and thereafter was never in the > scene. Bias IS TE CAUSE AND BIAS HAD NEVER WON THE WAR EVEN IF FOUGHT TILL > LIFE TIME. G writes here as, “But all such abusing mails are having a > background connected with Mr Rajaram.” {It ought to have been Background > connected with Sarma and Narayana and self G.} > > How cleverly Gopala plays his cards thinking sitting all around > are fools of the first degree? He writes,” Filthy and immoral language > start from Mr Rajaram.” “How can Mr Rajaram write Bogus ITS about me?” It > is an open and shut case. WHO WROTE IN TESE COLUMNS “Ex IRS”? Is it his job > or some angel played the card in the past decades? In what way he is > concerned about my pseudo-presentation of title? Why he was offended? Once > he tarnishes the image by opening the account, my turn starts; why would I > bother what was he or what did he do? unless he pokes; poking is also an > abuse; is there any limit in calling some one idiot and you are not > intelligent? will the last phrase become unabusive but direct one abusive? > And why G takes additional adding fire or does not ask them to shut out, > where women and mother are all dragged in; perhaps for Gopalakrishnan > lexicon says personal is abusive and for others it is not? Stupid > Gopalakrishnan fits squarely for him. So as long as he writes directly and > indirectly all abusive language, he will get back 100 times. If he is > meddling with mine, his is only a bogus ITS only. IF SOMEONE WISHES GOOD > THINGS TO HAPPEN, HE MUST SHOW FIRST HIS GOODNESS. A CONTENT AGAINST > CONTENT, NOT BY DENYING OR PLACING THE BLAME ON SOMEONE ELSE, ON CAN > ESCAPE; BUT PROVE BY EVIDENTIARY CONTENT; THERE HE IS GLOWING Don’t I do > it? So do not feign as 3 personals showing the tail here and head there. > Gopalkrishnan is a fraud. > > What nonsense Gopala writes that Sarma and Narayana regretted? > Regretted means they offended me. If so they shall refrain from later > regret, But writing again nonsense as usual in many languages including > texts of abuses, will only get back the Astras they sent, back to them. > Don’t play Gopalakrishna you fox tales. OK? So never do crocodiles act. > Change all of you here at least 5 are there. Show by your evidential talent > instead of lament and Netis Thank you I am not tired of you though I could > stay off. But there must be a police force to protect the society or else > thieves and goondas spread over. > > K Rajaram IRS 28 1 24 > > NB I never defend or do falsity; they are all your assets. Drop all your > weapons; the front will become quiet. Because except a few, all others have > no back bones. And so I have to Thank You > > On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 at 21:07, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Mr Sekar, > > I am forwarding my response to Mr Rajaram, though you would have read it > already. > > I have seen your response to Mr LN Sarma. *I fully agree to the point you > have mentioned about widows.* > > I never favor Mr LN Sarma's language. But all such abusing mails are h*aving > a background connected with Mr Rajaram. * > > I think these types mails may better exchanged between them.* I never use > an abusive word, but in response many times Mr Rajaram uses abusive > language. Satirical or defending is OK. * > > Dear Mr Sekar, please say- How can Mr Rajaram write Bogus ITS about me? How > much time it will take me to call him Bogus IRS?. Filthy and immoral > language start from Mr Rajaram. > > Once again, I never favour Mr Sarma's language or the particular point > about widows. Can you write a mail to Mr Rajaram, to stop abusive > language? He will never agree and say tit for tat. > > Please note-* Mr Narayanaswamy and Mr Sarma has regretted for filthy > language in the groups.But instead of making a regret message for abusing > and filthy language, he made a statement- WHY SHOULD I ?* > > Gopalakrishnan > > On Sunday, 28 January, 2024 at 07:25:28 am IST, 'gopala krishnan' via > KeralaIyers <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Respected Mr Rajaram, > > Will there be an end of using singular addressing and abusing in your life > time? I am sure you will not reach Paramapadam, but pathalam, if you > continue abusing like this. You are compelling others also to make > singular usage. > Gopalakrishnan > > On Saturday, 27 January, 2024 at 09:22:32 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Oh Narayanasamy and co are non vegetarians and drunkards as admitted in > foreign they go to cat houses? That is what I also wrote. Kutramulla nenju > padapadaikirathu? The guilty consciousness inflicts? Truth is bitter > Narayana enda dont you know this Sumban > > On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 23:54, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Dear folks > > With nothing to say, rogue and charlatan refugee from iyer123 Rajaram K > alias KR ex-IRS alias Cockroachmoorthy nevertheless rants and raves about > nothing. His last words are worth noting:- > > "*Brahmins by becoming the other varna guna vibaga adopters, and eating > non veg and drinks changed the whole concept of topsy-turvy*." > > If this is a confession of "mea culpa", in KR ex-IRS' usual > drain-gutter-sewer ungrammatical broken English, why boast about it? > > Don't some non-practising "so-called braahmaanas" today keep and visit > cathouses, and, when abroad, give in to the temptation to sleep with > foreign women? > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > > > On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 9:50 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Snake biting its own tail is a word of subterfuge. History is only that. > My grandfather defeated your grandfather and so you enter into my nation > to covet it back. That is natural. As long as dharma was the ruler of the > 56 nations in India, there were fear to offend anyone; but Islamic invasion > and the British rule made the DIVIDE AND RULE POLICY; there the brahmins > were patronised because of their intelligence; and the Brahmins > thought they are fro Head and so they can do anything against the feet; The > Kshatriyas did the same thing; and in effect, agraharam and outlaws enter > the field of residence. Trivandrum Rajas brought laws to have the > virudhunagar Nadar women then , not to wear any blouse. So much atrocity > was brought over by the brahmins and the kshatriyas. This was made use of > to capture the power by Politicians and the landlords of the north, to > provoke the people against Brahmins and oppress the 4th varnas in the > north. South became dravida and communist rulers; North still continued to > hold power of the rich. In the South , a new history started; non brahmins > now showing their hatred towards the 4th varna but Brahmins started > migrating. What we sow , so we reap. And Brahmins by becoming the other > varna guna vibaga adopters, and eating non veg and drinks changed the whole > concept of topsy-turvy. KR IRS 26 1 24 > > On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 19:06, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Dear folks > > "*Yes, the reservation system hurts the talented but decades of oppressed > ones need some crutches before they can start walking on their own. It has > gone on for far too long and too far but who will bell the cat? N Sekar"* > > > Sri N Sekar's arguments often have the quality and reality of a snake > biting its own tail. > > In the above clarion call to battle he only reminds one of the equally > spurious argument:- > > "*Your great-grandfather kicked my great-grandfather centuries ago; so I > am kicking you now.*" > > Bell what cat? Just trap it with mouse-meat, and drown it in the nearest > stream. > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > > > > On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 4:30 PM 'N Sekar' via KeralaIyers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_> > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > *From:* "Narayanaswamy Sekar" <[email protected]> > *To:* "Srinivasan Sridharan" <[email protected]> > *Cc:* "Patty Thatha" <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 1:58 PM > *Subject:* Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: Comedy of errors-reg > Thanks Srinivasan Sir. > > 1. We can't deny, however much we try, that certain sections were > suppressed and oppressed, not by brahmins alone but more so by the other so > called upper castes. > > 2. Until as recently as a decade back there were some villages in T N > where their womenfolk cannot wear blouses but cover their upper body only > with their sarees. > Their men cannot wear chappels nor can they put their towels over their > shoulders - that needs to be tied to their hips. > > These rules were applied when they had to cross over the so called upper > caste areas. > > There are still some temples in T N where they are not allowed to enter. > What we forget is that these practices also contribute to conversions > though other religions also practice the same evil of caste > discrimination, but more subtly. > > Why do you think the blacks are given preference under Affirmative Action > in the U S? > > 3. It is true Rama did not give any part of his kingdom to others but > neither was there these kinds of atrocities and blatant violation of human > rights - all in the name of castes. > > Even today in T N villages there is subtle, unannounced discrimination > being practiced but not by brahmins ( they have migrated to the cities) but > by the dominant so called upper caste folks in that area. > > Yes, the reservation system hurts the talented but decades of oppressed > ones need some crutches before they can start walking on their own. It has > gone on for far too long and too far but who will bell the cat? > > > N Sekar > > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 10:40 PM Srinivasan Sridharan < > [email protected]> wrote: > > *Dear Sri Sekar,* > > * I have some opinion on the issue of reservation* > * which I thought I would tell.* > * Sama Dharma is a part of Sanathana Dharma.* > * It means every Jeevathma should be respected equally,* > * since Paramathma resides in all Jeevathmas. It means respect* > > * not only human beings but also other living beings.* > * However reservation is for preferring some scheduled castes * > * and tribe people be given Govt jobs in preference to people* > * of other castes, overlooking the possibility of incompetence.* > * in some of those who have been given such Govt jobs.* > * It has nothing to do with Social equality or mutual respect* > * of all human beings! It of course gives those people a chance* > > * to have better material life than what their ancestors had ! That is > all!* > * Sri Rama wholeheartedly accepted* > > * a person (Guha) from the hunter tribe and a monkey (Sugreeva)* > * and a Rakshasa (Vbheeshana ) as his own brother ! This is Samadharma!* > * Sri Rama did not give any part of the Kosala Kingdom to Guha* > *or Sugreeva or Vibhishana even though he offered the same to* > * Bharatha, Lakshmana and Shathrugna who are also his brothers.* > * Dharma is subtle, especially Sama Dharma !* > > * Sridharan.* > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 4:24 AM Narayanaswamy Sekar <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *'N Sekar' via iyer123* <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, Jan 24, 2024, 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: Comedy of errors-reg > To: <[email protected]>, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 < > [email protected]> > > > Thanks Sri G K. > > Equality does not mean everyone should be of the same standard - > physically, materially, financially etc. > > It does not also mean that everyone should be reduced to the lowest > common denominator. > > It just means we treat all as human beings and extend the courticies to > them as we would expect them to do to us. Basic courtesy and Decency in > treating all is all that it means. > > Yes we have hierarchies in the office but that does not give us the right > to treat our subordinates as your slaves. Everyone craves for dignity and > respect and we should recognize that fact. > > " Do unto others as what you would have them do unto you" > Is the maxim any cultured and civilized person is expected to follow. > > Even in the Mahabharata we have the story of how Durupathan insulted Drona > ( asking Drona how a poor brahmin can claim to be friends with a king like > Durupatha) and the consequences. > > Arrogance leads to downfall sooner or later. > > It is worth remembering Satya Sai Bagahwan's words " End of Education is > Humility". > > Re: why we have reservations, the short answer is " Affirmative Action" is > a pre requisite to uplift the unfortunate, poorer sections of society. But > unfortunately it has degenerated into caste issues in our country and no > party dare touch it lest the affected section changes its votes - > Vote bank politics in different forms and shapes and colors. We can't deny > though that some sections of the society were oppressed and suppressed and > the inevitable backlash is more than one expected. That's why 10% > reservation for the poor so called upper class is a welcome step. Poverty > knows no caste or religion. > > > N Sekar > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_> > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:39 AM, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers > <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Mr Sekar, > > I forgot to add one thing. I have read else where Gayathree manthra was > there already, Sage Viswamithra put it in a new chandas. > > All sages had rivalries between them, sage Brahaspathi, and sage Sukra are > examples . Sage Viswamithra had pride . It made him Rajarshi, and he became > Devarshi after loosing his pride. > > On Wednesday, 24 January, 2024 at 10:32:29 am IST, 'gopala krishnan' via > iyer123 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Mr Sekar, > > I have gone through your response. > > In that case why the Government of India still follows caste and religion? > > Even after 76 years why the Government of India still keeps reservation > for BC, SC and ST for concessions and reservations? > > Even with in the religion why difference between castes? > > If all are humans and equal, (It should be) all the above and many more > are to be changed. > > As homo sapiens, by nature it is very difficult to change animal qualities > with in all of us. These animal qualities are responsible for all the > problems in the world/countries/ states/ among people. > > One person feels he is superior. Another's views are ignored. There is no > tolerance. Then only equality. > > I recollect an incidence from Ramayana. I cannot quote sarga /kanda. Once > Seetha devi asked Sri Rama why people are not made equal. I desire so. Sri > Rama with a smile made every body equal. Different sects of people forgot > their duties. They simply enjoyed life. > > A leakage occurred in the palace. A search was made. No masons to attend. > Sita understood the folly. Sri Rama changed the maya created. Masons > appeared. Immediately the leakage was attended to. > > So I feel we can have *some sort of equality in standard of living,* not > fully. I have read articles about present day Russia, still there are > catagories of people doing different works, the person doing menial jobs > may have better standard of living than one do red collar jobs or ordinary > jobs. > Gopalakrishnan > > > On Wednesday, 24 January, 2024 at 09:28:27 am IST, 'N Sekar' via > KeralaIyers <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thank you both Sri G K and Sri Sridharan and a couple of others who did > not cc the group for reasons all well known. At least they responded. > > Without elaborating ( as it will be found sensitive and will touch raw > nerves) let me just say - based on my knowledge gained from reading, > listening to and my own reflection of what I read and listened to. > > I understand there will be different opinions BUT I strongly feel all of > us are humans and hence deserve to be treated as such - there is no > question of superiority or inferiority. > > Each of us have a job to do and let us do it. There is something called " > Dignity of Labour". > > Also, different sects follow different customs and we can't judge others > by what we do. > > Let us do what we do and let them do what they do. Who are we to dictate > to others and impose our practices on others esp because none of us ( in a > general sense) contributed anything in the struggle of 500 years - we may > have sent donations to the Trust as I have, BUT that is not equal to the > struggles they had put up - just watch the dead bodies of the kar sevaks > bring pulled up / dragged from the Sarayu river and you will realize the > price they had paid. > > Whether what they did was right or wrong is for another day- they felt > suppressed by the invaders and then by our own sicular crowd who will not > hesitate to sell the Nation for a few votes - and that crowd includes the > so called brahmins. > > So they are fully entitled to decide where, when and how the ceremonies > will be conducted and by who. It is their customs and we are outsiders as > far as their practices go. If we don't like what they do let us not witness > or visit them - nobody compelled any one else. > > Will we tolerate if they come and tell us how to do Kumbabhidhekam on our > temples? If the answer is No then let us not comment on their practices. > > So let us not interfere with what is essentially their function - they > toiled for it, paid for it with their lives even, and let them garner all > the glory that is legitimately theirs. > > Just leave them alone. > > We are just not entitled to pass critical remarks without contributing > anything. > > Let us remember that the paths we take may differ but ultimately the > Destination is the same. Methods differ but Purpose is One. > > I again repeat- I prostrate a thousand times to all those responsible for > this magnificent Temple, reflecting our glorious heritage, and that > includes all the Kar Sevaks who gave their lives. Day before yesterday when > I was watching it I prayed for their souls and lovingly and respectfully > remembered them. > > Just a couple of remarks on your two mails. > > 1. Varnas and not Jathis, are based on one's occupation and is not by > birth. > If it is by birth then the Greatest Mantra - Mother of All Mantras, > Gayathri Mantra, was actually given by a Kshahtriya called Viswamitra who > through TAPAS, > AND NOT BY BIRTH, became a Brahma Rishi and is now addressed respectfully > as Sage Vuswamitra. > > 2. If, for argument's sake, just for argument's sake, we consider the 4th > varna as coming from His Feet ( while some claim superiority because they > think they came from HIS FACE), then let me point out > > In the Vishnu Temples the "Sadari" that we so respectfully and with > devotion accept to be placed on our heads represents HIS FEET. > > So if we claim the 4th Varna came from His Feet, it is those Feet that we > willingly place on our heads. > > It was Rama's Padhukas that ruled Ayodhya for 14 years and not a replica > of His Face. > > Need I say more? > > I will stop here sir as I know arguments are futile. I believe strongly in > Karma and hence I would not demean anyone. Who knows what we were in our > previous births and what we will be in our next? > > I feel it is in all our interest to > Give respect and Get Respected. "You get what you give" and so let us > take care in what we give. > > Regards > > N Sekar > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_> > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 7:56 AM, gopala krishnan > <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Mr Sekar, > > Since you provided copy to groups on your response to the mail on the > above topic from Mr Narayanaswamy, I felt I may express a few thoughts came > to me on reading it. > > I was getting mails from Kanchimatam as *Deivathin kural *during 1998's. > I recollect Periyavar stating birth is by caste and not by actions. 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