I read with interest Mr Sekar counter. However there are no small and big ones and they have nop time or plight. India is a land where Brahmin helpful guidance and law are rich and abundant. Because of EGO, CASTE, CREED, RELIGION, SELF INTEREST, REFUSING TO ACKNOWLEDGE OTHERS, REFUSING TO BUILD GOOD RELATIONSHIP SO MANY GENUINE FACTORS HINDER THEM. If all small farmers unite in every place there will not be any middle men at all; but why don't they? There is no plight. There is self harakiri suffering in 99% of situations. In our small group itself don't we see so many oddities? Why? Foolish EGO. Everyone knows the old tale: breaking bundle of sticks and single. Yesterday outside the Brahmin forum, D K shouted and spoke rubbish. But have we ever done at Trichy when DK were holding the meetings? That is the point K Rajaram IRS 41124
On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 at 13:19, Narayanaswamy Sekar <[email protected]> wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: N Sekar <[email protected]> > Date: Mon, Nov 4, 2024, 11:48 AM > Subject: Fw: [KeralaIyers] Re: Fwd - Video from N Sekar > To: Narayanaswamy Sekar <[email protected]> > > > > > Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer > <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=NativePlacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_EmailSignatureGrowth_YahooMail:Search,Organize,Conquer&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000945&af_sub5=OrganizeConquer__Static_> > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > *From:* "'N Sekar' via KeralaIyers" <[email protected]> > *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, > "Rajaram Krishnamurthy" <[email protected]>, "Srinivasan Sridharan" < > [email protected]> > *Cc:* "Chittanandam V R" <[email protected]>, "YM" < > [email protected]>, "Dr Sundar" <[email protected]>, "venkat > raman" <[email protected]>, "Ravi mahajan" <[email protected]>, > "Venkat Giri" <[email protected]>, "Ranganathan" < > [email protected]>, "SRIRAMAJAYAM" <[email protected]>, > "Mani APS" <[email protected]>, "Rangarajan T.N.C." <[email protected]>, > "Mathangi K. Kumar" <[email protected]>, "Rama" < > [email protected]>, "Gopala Krishnan" <[email protected]>, "Kerala > Iyer" <[email protected]>, "Jambunathan Iyer" < > [email protected]>, "thatha patty" <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Mon, Nov 4, 2024 at 11:47 AM > *Subject:* Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: Fwd - Video from N Sekar > Thanks Srinuvasan ji. > > But when we say farmers, we generally mean only the farm workers or those > who own small parcels of land. > > Their plight is to be pitied. They reportedly get anything between 15 to > 20% of the market price ( some say only 10%) with the rest going to the > middlemen and other intermediaries including the seller to the ultimate > consumer. > > That is the reason why these middlemen and big mandi owners, including the > big " kulaks" and the Zamindari type folks, backed by the foreign funded > NGOs agitated against the Farmers Bill and got it scuttled. Otherwise > their easy money and the control they exercised over the margins farmers > would have gone. > > Since the small farmers did not have the luxury of time and resources to > take to the streets, their voices were not even heard. > The S C appointed Committee found more than 95%, yes, 95% of the marginal > farmers supported the Farm Bill, after assurances from the Govt that the > procurement Avenue by the Govt at the guaranteed prices will continue - MSP. > > Bit it was too late The S C had no right to interfere as it was a policy > matter but a greedy S C transgressed its limits and a meek Govt caved in. > > The Govt also failed in effective communication as the Bill was also based > on what ITC does in M P for decades - the E Choupal scheme. They could > have cited it as an example and the huge benefits it brought to the small > farmers. . ITC directly procures the products from the farmers, based on > agreed price formula and also provides them with research based input > details. > > That us one of the reasons why Shivraj Singh Chouhan won the madame > repeatedly. > > We dig our own graves by ignoring the small farmers. > > N Sekar > > > > Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer > <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=NativePlacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_EmailSignatureGrowth_YahooMail:Search,Organize,Conquer&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000945&af_sub5=OrganizeConquer__Static_> > > On Mon, Nov 4, 2024 at 9:05 AM, Rajaram Krishnamurthy > <[email protected]> wrote: > Good points. However, how and where do those workers descend from? Like me > once holding 1000 acres of agri land now, only the IRS may become a farm > worker one day. What law applied to IRSA applied to the farm workers also. > But why do they wear a green towel and lead a political party or drive on a > tractor from Haryana to delhi? They can fight and earn their wages only and > as industrial workers they are also only a labor force. Not the > agriculturists who are worshipful whether land lords or not owning some > lands or huge acres. I meant that there is no cooperative farming and > sellers' market between them due to caste, creed and economic barriers. K R > IRS 41124 > > On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 at 09:29, Srinivasan Sridharan < > [email protected]> wrote: > > There is a hell of a lot of difference between , “Farmers” and farm > workers. The “farmer” is also known as the Landlord. These “Landlords” > conveniently hidthemselves under the cloak of Farmworkers and stage > agitations in which the farmworker suffers while the “Farmer” ( The land > lord ) prospers! Even the communists secretly support only the Famers but > not the Farmworker! Farmers have such posh luxury cars in Punjab , which > many industrial managers can not afford! Sridharan. > > > On Nov 3, 2024, at 7:39 PM, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Dear all > It is presumed all are opposed by me; no sir; I do not become > emotional; neither academic; but try to see through. When Tiruvalluvar said > 2000 years back, > uzhudundu vazhvaare vazhvaar; matrellam > tozhudundu pin selbavar. The meaning is WHO IS REALLY LEADING A GOOD LIFE? > ONLY THE FARMER. WHY? BECAUSE ALL THE REST WORSHIP HIM. Thus the value of > agriculture and the farmer is highlighted. Then a long write up of > evaluation by the cartoonist looks to me as a laughable stock. In 1971 when > I visited as a rep of Voltas, main contacts were rich landlords who alone > could buy the tractors. In one such village near Melur Madurai, after > (chozhvandan may be also on the opp direction I am not sure) coming out of > the sale, met by a group of farmers of that village; one of them said to me > angrily only corporate spoil the poor by selling tractors which poor cannot > afford; and the price of paddy is fixed only by the rich which price is > hard to sell by the poor farmers. I took them aside in front of a house and > sat on the dias; then asked them, how many farmers are there in > that village? they said there may be (not sure of in a small place) around > 50 to 60 families. I asked how many cultivable lands were done by them? > Each owns around 3 to 5 acres and around 200 250 acres are owned by the > village farmers of 60 families. They added that they work for that landlord > also who cultivated 50 to 60 acres. They added now by that tractor for > him, he will make them slaves. Then I asked them their income annually; > they said that on average 20 to 30000 they may make while that one landlord > earns out of their sweat in lakhs. I asked them if there were any problems > with their stay etc; they said they have residences; food from the field > and dress so simple. Then I added that their grievance is only that the > landlord bought a tractor and grows to be well off?; they said while they > live in low style ,whereas the additions make him rich and widen the Gap > (may be a communist also). I asked them if there is any coop-society and do > they use it?; they said they are only debtors there. Then I said suppose > the 60 families form a union and each takes 10000 loan cannot the tractor > be bought? I added suppose they collectively cultivate the 200 acres ,say, > and sell collectively and divide them by 60 will it not be profitable? I > added suppose they lend the tractor service to others ncling the > landlord will it not increase their income? THE FIRST SALVO WAS SHOT; SIR > HE IS A SAANAAR; HOW CAN I MINGLE WITH HIM AS A COLLECTIVE GROUP. THAT I > STHE PROBLEM. COOPERATIVE AGRICULTURE S NEVER PRACTICED FOR HUMPTEEN > REASONS LIKE CASTE ETC. KOODI VAAZHNDAAL KODI NANMAI IS ABSENT THERE . SO > THEY SUFFER. LET THEM DO. tHE LAST FISH AND THE LAST TWIG WILL ARISE ONLY > AFTER THE DEMISE OF THE LAST HUMAN ON EARTH. Emotional dialogues are made > out for media likes as in films; right solutions are well ahead which we > refuse to see. Do we have the taste of responses and appreciations in spite > of our enuring the benefit from others? Never in the nation nor in the > groups. Ennandri kondraarkkum uyvundam; illai seinandri kondra magarkku. > Meaning SEI NANDRI = BENEFITS YOU RECEIVED FROM THE ACTIONS OF THE 3RD > PART; KNOWN RECEIPTS ARE ACK BUT WE DO NOT ACK THE GOVT; NEOBORS; > EMPLOYERS; COLLEAGUES; UNKNOWN PEOPLE WHO SHOWERED THEIR ACTIONS FOR THE > UNKNOWN FACES. THAT IS THE FREATEST SIN. wE SEEK TO TENDER OUR YIELD TO A > SNALL POND OR WELL AS FROGS; KEEP A WIDE CHAIN; AS THE DRAVIDA SHOUTS IN > YOUR CONFERENCE, GO AND SHAKE OUT THEIR CONFERENCES. NEVER WE WILL UNITE. > BUT BLAME WE ARE POOR. In that quote the only truth is he last line; money > is not everything. K RAJARAM IRS 41124 > > On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 at 20:00, Narayanaswamy Sekar <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *N Sekar* <[email protected]> > Date: Sun, Nov 3, 2024, 6:29 PM > Subject: Fwd - Video from N Sekar > To: Kerala Iyer <[email protected]>, Rangarajan T.N.C. < > [email protected]>, Chittanandam V. R. <[email protected]>, > Narayanaswamy Sekar <[email protected]>, Suryanarayana Ambadipudi < > [email protected]>, Mathangi K. 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