David,

It handles indents but not the wikitext bullets, it allows the tab key, in 
indent in further and further, but as its not wikitext it renders without 
the tabs. Perhaps we can get tabs accepted by the wiki text parser to be 
honored during rendering  including the forced new line.

Your you information I often find staring a line with ";" and ":" 
simi-colon heading, and colon indented helpful. I am keen to add a "." 
period that makes a paragraph (discussed elsewhere).

I note it seems to store tab characters (not yet confirmed) so I would not 
be surprised if we can use a macro or parsing to turn it into a bulleted 
list. Given it accepts tabs, perhaps a keyboard macro that inserts a tab 
and an * at the beginning of the text would help?

I am keen to maximise the ease of entry and organising within wiki text. 
You can follow a leading character such as semi-colon with a .classname 
eg 
;.classname
to apply css

Regards
Tony



On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 12:17:08 AM UTC+11, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi Tony
>
> I will look at the Code Mirror plugin. I don't need all the functionality 
> of an outliner, such as dragging points to reorder them. and I don't need 
> each new line to be a tiddler. I just need to be able for each new line to 
> start with a * and indenting to change the * to **, ***, etc.
>
> On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 9:37:04 PM UTC-6, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> David,
>>
>> It's not the full story but the codeMirror plugin handles tabs and new 
>> lines well. I use it when writing macros to keep them clear and well 
>> structured.
>>
>> I have always being a fan of easy to use outliners. They provide a 
>> hierarchical structure. But tiddlywiki can go beyond hierarchical.
>>
>> My feeling is that tiddlywiki has more than the possibility to act as an 
>> outliner, in fact I think the Code Mirror or Visual editor can help within 
>> a single tiddler. 
>>
>> If you want each item in the outline to be a seperate tiddler, you do 
>> need to decide if you have an independent title or an automatically 
>> generated one behind the scenes.
>>
>> I think this needs more work to define the best way to tackle outlining. 
>> Your notes are a start.
>>
>> regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 2:52:26 AM UTC+11, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> could you please enlighten me on the game changer feature or concept of 
>>>> Dynalist??
>>>>
>>>
>>> For me, the basic advantage of an outliner program (Dynalist, Workflowy, 
>>> Roam) is the writing experience. Everything is in bullet points. Hit enter 
>>> to start a new line, hit tab to indent, and when you hit enter for a new 
>>> line, your next line is also indented to that level, etc. And by dragging 
>>> the bullets you can rearrange the order and indenting of any line. So it is 
>>> a really great way to write, and to order and reorganize one's thoughts on 
>>> a topic. Very freeing compared to writing in TiddlyWiki: in TiddlyWiki, if 
>>> you use the unordered list, you need to do shift+8 to add * or ** or *** 
>>> every new line, or write loosely, use a toolbar button to add one * for 
>>> every line, and manually add the extra levels of * for the lines that need 
>>> it. If you don't use bulleted lists, new paragraphs require two newlines, 
>>> not one, and indenting requires other actions that take one away from 
>>> typing (wrapping in a span class, or using : , which only affects the first 
>>> line, etc). And these delays really add up.
>>>
>>> Another advantage of outliners is that if you have a pro account you can 
>>> drag images right into it, and copy the link to insert them wherever you 
>>> want. Another is that you can add tags to each line and do searches for 
>>> tags across multiple outliner documents. 
>>>
>>> There was a way, probably still exists, to replicate the 'ordered list / 
>>> enter for new line / tab for indent' experience in TiddlyWiki, but the cost 
>>> was too high for me - it meant losing access to the editortoolbar. I think 
>>> it also required a different tiddler type, and if I remember, there were 
>>> other drawbacks as well associated with that aspect. If there were a way to 
>>> do enter-and-tab without such a huge cost, I would use TiddlyWiki for 
>>> almost everything, and would not feel much pressure to switch between 
>>> Tiddlywiki and outliners. Although Roam....very enticing once they get 
>>> their defects weeded out.
>>>
>>> I hope that answers your question about the game changer features.
>>>
>>

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