Sorry to be unclear. Setting aside the idea of special tiddler types and
assuming all tiddlers have stream, I was referring to every new tiddler
button calling up a dialog to title the tiddler and create it in view mode.
And about tiddler types l was just indicating that it was a throwaway
comment on behalf of the other person's comment, not something I want or
have thought about. I understood the tone of your comment. Blessings.
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 9:52 AM Saq Imtiaz <saq.imt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> @David to be clear, I didn't mean to come across as critical. It is a good
> question and a valid suggestion. I was just hoping you may have thought of
> something I hadn't in terms of streamlining it, since I have banged my head
> against this for a while now.
>
> One of the issues with a button to create a new streams tiddler is that
> surely there will be requests to turn an existing tiddler into a streams
> tiddler too... and I really don't want to go down the road of yet more
> tiddler toolbar buttons.
>
> I will continue to give it some thought. Please do keep suggestions coming.
>
> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 4:33:14 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi Saq
>>
>> Yeah, I am not invested in the tiddler type idea, just throwing it out as
>> a possible answer to the other person's question.
>>
>> Addressing what you mentioned: There are two basic ways to create a new
>> tiddler:
>>
>> 1. From a link, which opens it in view mode with a title. In this
>> scenario, the user can just jump in and write.
>> 2. From a new button, which opens it in edit mode without a title, and
>> creates the understandable temptation for the user to start writing in edit
>> mode.
>>
>> I see two possible options, maybe there are more, for getting around #2.
>>
>> 1. Some kind of hint in the edit template text area: "Title your
>> tiddler, save changes, and start writing in view mode" Drawback: the eye
>> either overlooks and/or eventually gets used to the hint and forgets it.
>> But hopefully by then the habit has become ingrained.
>> 2. A dialogue box when hitting a new button: a place to title the
>> tiddler, and a 'create' button that creates the tiddler in view mode with
>> the title. Drawback: tiring for regular users to have to do an extra step
>> for every new tiddler. Possible workaround: a way for users to turn that
>> off.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 9:18 AM Saq Imtiaz <saq....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> @David: what would be the workflow?
>>>
>>> - a button to create a new stream tiddler
>>> - user clicks button
>>> - tiddler opens in edit mode, user gives it a title and saves
>>> - then the user sees the UI for streams?
>>>
>>> That's where I was early on in development and it is as simple as a
>>> button with an action widget, but I find that user story to not be very
>>> compelling or user friendly. Starting in edit mode, there is a realistic
>>> expectation to be able to start writing your content. If we start in view
>>> mode, then the user has to edit the tiddler later to rename it.
>>>
>>> There is no reason why this can't be an alternative workflow that we
>>> offer, but I welcome any suggestions that would make it more intuitive.
>>>
>>> Overall, the question of how the user gets started with a new "stream
>>> tiddler" is one that I am not totally satisfied that we have a good answer
>>> for yet.
>>> The options discussed:
>>> - via view template with a configurable filter
>>> - a new tiddler type (basically based on a field) via a button
>>> - a macro that users type into a tiddler where they want the streams
>>> interface.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 3:47:41 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>>
>>>> With regard to limiting to certain tiddlers, have you thought about
>>>> creating this as a new tiddler type?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:43 AM Saq Imtiaz <saq....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 1:16:09 PM UTC+2, Tony K wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Saq once again this is wonderful
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is there an easy way to have it only on some tiddlers ? maybe a
>>>>>> widget <$bulletTiddler /> or something similar
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You can try
>>>>> {{||$:/plugins/sq/bullets/bullet-list-template}}
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not the biggest fan of having to add text to a tiddler body to
>>>>> trigger the UI, so I haven't put a lot of thought in that direction. This
>>>>> could easily be wrapped in an easier to type macro though. <<streams>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also there is a filter you can use to control on which tiddlers the UI
>>>>> to add bullets appears.
>>>>> $:/config/sq/bullets/bullet-enable-filter
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