Hi David, Wow, I'd better have a look at how this plugin has changed since August. Thanks so much for your thoughtful feedback!
...It hasn't changed on github, but locally the Omnibus plugin has had a lot of work under the hood; maybe not as much superficially. As often happens, I had intended to update the public version frequently, but life has kept me busy and my own modifications rarely seem quite ready to share and document. "Another one bites the dust" was never meant to stay up. Heh. It's still there in my local wikis. I prefer the title input field beneath the text, because if I'm adding within an omnibus I usually don't want to bother with a title -- and if I do, often the title comes to me only after I've written its contents. But the input fields should certainly identify themselves clearly. This layout is specified in my "Quick" plugin, The current (my local) version has a tiddler tagged "$:/tags/ViewTemplate" to display the Omnibus stuff after the body on tiddlers tagged "omnibus", and I have not repaired the effect that has on folding of the whole tiddler (i.e. it doesn't fold). That's on my list of things to fix, but it's after a lot of other issues that get in the way of my using my wikis. There's a snowplow effect of annoyances that don't stop the plugin from functioning that I've really ignored -- as with the "omnibus" tag, which just hasn't bothered me enough to clean up...yet. Incidentally, nearer the start of this odyssey I really wasn't sure to what extent I wanted to use tags vs. custom fields, in general. Did I want to use several categories of tags, and have some hidden? Did I want lots of custom fields? I've become much more comfortable with the idea of adding fields to tiddlers. As for putting the omnibus-mode icons in the sidebar, certainly that must be doable. I do sometimes have more than one omni open, in different modes (one may be under intensive construction, another could be just for reading, and another a todo list). On my current wikis, only the top omnibus shows the mode-selection icons and sub-omnis follow its setting, so it's less cluttered. I can see the desirability of cleaning the interface for publishing read-only omnis. Maybe a view-mode toolbar button to toggle the mode icons? Then it could be per-tiddler. Cheers, Chris On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 10:51:47 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote: > Hi clutterstack > > Here are my reactions: > > 1. That export tab is a stroke of genius! Time saver for exporting > multiple-but-not-all tiddlers. > 2. That drag tags tab is also a stroke of genius. I don't use tags that > much, but that is a great idea. > 3. It took me a while to figure out that effectively, the Another one > bites the dust is the text field editor and the Title is the title editor. > I am so used to seeing title on top and text below. And since they are > headers, that reinforced my idea that the top was the tiddler title, which > made me wonder what the title field was for. Not saying you should change > anything, just letting you know of my confusion. Or perhaps replace Another > one bites the dust with Text or something that identifies what it is for. > 4. Not a fan of having an omnibus tag for omnibus tiddlers, since that > might be confusing to viewers if I publish a file online, but I tend to > hide the tags field in view mode anyway, so it won't affect me. > 5. Amazing that it all comes toghether so well, expand/collapse > individually or collectively, change editing options or show clean, drag to > rearrange, add new in the place where you want it. Also the interface is > not overly invasive/cluttered, and you can hide various elements as needed. > Great, great job. > 6. Could the three editing options icons be in the sidebar rather than at > the top of the tiddler? I say this because for publishing a file online, > whether as static html or as the TiddlyWiki file, those icons are still > visible in the text and will confuse viewers for whom I just want them to > focus on the final content produced. I realize you have it set up so each > subtiddler has the icons for multilevel fine tuned controls, but for > content creators who want to use it to produce content, the icons are a > problem. > > On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 7:58:10 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote: > >> WOW either this plugin has changed a lot, or I completely forgot seeing >> this in August. I just played with this and I really like it! >> >> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 3:48:11 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote: >> >>> LOL >>> >>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote: >>> >>>> @David Gifford >>>> >>>> Hey, I made the big time! ;) Thanks. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 8:40:33 AM UTC-4, David Gifford wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I haven't had the chance to play with this, but I added it to the >>>>> TiddlyWiki Toolmap here: >>>>> https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=QWdEBqaQUwlcIQVkU4TWTauS. >>>>> >>>>> Looks interesting! >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 3:21:39 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Following on from my quick adder plugin, I've built a demo of the >>>>>> reason I wanted the quick-adding capability. >>>>>> >>>>>> I was pretty excited about this, and I guess I still am, although it >>>>>> converges quite a lot toward Streams and NotoWritey. It's called Omni, >>>>>> short for Omnibus, because each one collects tiddler "passengers". >>>>>> Here's >>>>>> what I said in the demo are its basic capabilities: >>>>>> >>>>>> * Quickly add tiddlers, without needing to think of a title right >>>>>> away (or ever) >>>>>> * Rearrange tiddlers within and between omnibuses by drag and drop >>>>>> * Drag and drop to add tiddlers to the omnibus >>>>>> * Add (existing) tags to tiddlers by drag and drop >>>>>> * Set indentation levels or styles for tiddlers within the omnibus >>>>>> * "Fold" and "unfold" tiddler transclusions >>>>>> >>>>>> I see I Ieft out "edit tiddler text". You can see there's some >>>>>> overlap, although there are some slightly different decisions among >>>>>> Streams, NotoWritey, and Omni. >>>>>> >>>>>> Demo and some notes are available at >>>>>> https://clutterstack.github.io/TW5-omni/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Having used this for a bit, I have come to the conclusion it needs a >>>>>> major reworking under the hood, but there's a lot I will keep. >>>>>> Certainly, >>>>>> the fact that I know Streams is much better-written is due to my having >>>>>> climbed a learning curve writing this -- I can now read and understand >>>>>> Saq's code. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, although this is not a production-ready plugin, maybe someone >>>>>> will get an idea or snippet from this. The plugin repo is >>>>>> https://github.com/clutterstack/TW5-omni. >>>>>> >>>>>> I plan to incorporate more ways to manipulate and assemble >>>>>> "omnibuses" into my wiki. My historical problem has been that I can >>>>>> collect >>>>>> a lot into a wiki but it's a bit of a black hole after that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, Chris >>>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/cc5bd388-2b95-4c6c-bb05-c0d45fddedc4n%40googlegroups.com.
